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Monday, July 21, 2008

Oldest New Testament Out of Egypt into Cyberspace

In a move reflective of the power of technology, the oldest New Testament Bible will be placed online for all the world to examine. Of course, this is great news for students of Bible manuscripts. One fascinating fact about this archaeological gem is its origin in Egypt.

The New Testament manuscript in question is the Codex Sinaiticus, distinguished from earlier manuscripts by virtue of its completeness, containing all the canonical texts along with the Epistle of Barnabas and the Shepherd of Hermas, the former of which has been shown to have a provenance of Alexandria, Egypt. Along with the Codex Vaticanus, the CS is the oldest intact manuscript, dating to around 350 AD/CE.

Importantly, the Codex Sinaiticus was discovered and evidently written in Egypt, a locale vastly overlooked in studies of Christian origins. It is my contention, in fact, that without factoring in Egyptian religion and mythology, the study of Christian origins will always be incomplete and faulty, because it is unquestionably out of Egypt that Christ was called, so to speak, as a mythical rehash largely of the Egyptian gods Osiris and Horus.

"Out of Egypt have I called my son."
--The Gospel of Matthew (2:15)

In reality, the Sinai Peninsula, where this text was found in the oldest Christian monastery, St. Catherine's, was the only established land route to Israel, possessing numerous important Egyptian sites, including a massive fortress and temple to Horus at Tharo/Tharu. In this location, countless thousands of travelers passed between the two nations over a period of several millennia. Indeed, much interchange between cultures occurred in this very region. It is no wonder, therefore, that this site would be a sacred hot spot for the establishment of what turns out to be a Jewish-Egyptian hybrid, i.e., Christianity.

In my forthcoming book Christ in Egypt: The Horus-Jesus Connection, I demonstrate the correspondences between the Egyptian and Christian religions in well-documented detail, using primary source material as well as the works of highly credentialed scholars in relevant fields. Those who are interested in a preview of my book Christ in Egypt may wish to read my "Companion Guide to ZEITGEIST, Part 1," which contains a number of chapters from CIE.
Oldest New Testament Bible heads into cyberspace
By Dave Graham Mon Jul 21, 12:50 PM ET

BERLIN (Reuters) - More than 1,600 years after it was written in Greek, one of the oldest copies of the Bible will become globally accessible online for the first time this week.

From Thursday, sections of the Codex Sinaiticus, which contains the oldest complete New Testament, will be available on the Internet, said the University of Leipzig, one of the four curators of the ancient text worldwide.

High resolution images of the Gospel of Mark, several Old Testament books, and notes on the work made over centuries will appear on www.codex-sinaiticus.net as a first step towards publishing the entire manuscript online by next July.

Ulrich Johannes Schneider, director of Leipzig University Library, which holds part of the manuscript, said the publication of the Codex online would allow anyone to study a work of "fundamental" importance to Christians.

"A manuscript is going onto the net which is like nothing else online to date," Schneider said. "It's also an enrichment of the virtual world -- and a bit of a change from YouTube."

Selected translations will be available in English and German for those not conversant in ancient Greek, he added.

Dating from around 350, the document is believed by experts to be the oldest known copy of the Bible, along with the Codex Vaticanus, another ancient version of the Bible, Schneider said....

The project, launched in cooperation with the Russian National Library, the British Library and Saint Catherine's Monastery, also details the condition of the Bible, believed to have been written by early Christians in Egypt.

"I think it's just fantastic that thanks to technology we can now make the oldest cultural artifacts -- ones that were once so precious you couldn't show them to anyone -- accessible to everyone, in really high quality," said Schneider.

(editing by Ron Popeski)

63 comments:

Anonymous said...

FANTASTIC!

Thanks for blogging this "Oldest New Testament Out of Egypt into Cyberspace" issue.

"the oldest intact manuscript, dating to around 350 AD/CE."

- This comment is an interesting little factoid isn't it? The oldest *FRAGMENT* is P52 or the "Rylands fragment" as Acharya explains in her book "Who Was Jesus?" on page 68-69...

"...which contains several dozen letters scattered across four verses of John's gospel (18:31-33)."

"...Moreover, in a fairly recent paleographical study published in the Archiv für Papyrusforschung 35 (1989), German scholar Andreas Schmidt suggested a date for P52 of 170 AD/CE +/- 25 years."

"...since the gospel of John does not appear in the literary record until the end of the second century, logic would suggest the later dating of P52 to be more accurate. The debate continues, but the value of P52 in providing evidence of a first century date for John's gospel seems to be nil."

I notice as time goes on, the idea that the gospels were written in the first century CE looks worse all the time. While the evidence seems more & more to support what you've written about them not entering the historical or literary records until from mid to late 2nd century. It makes the Gospel stories, if taken literally, begin to look like they're based on a house of cards. While the mythological position holds quite firmly and begins to make more sense.

I can't wait until "Christ in Egypt" is out.

Mriana said...

I can't wait for it to come out, buy it, and read it. It sounds like another exciting book.

Anonymous said...

Regardless of the factuality or not of the figures Jesus and Moses, the origins of the Savior Son of God theme and the whole of Judaism and it's later derivatives, Christianity and Islam, lies with those who taught the Moses character religion; the Egyptian priesthood. This has been self evident for anybody who understood that Moses couldn't and didn't create his own religion out of thin air, but simply used what he was taught. It is stated plainly, in the text attributed to Moses, that he was educated as a son of the Pharaoh. Based on this, and other information, it has been known for ages that the whole Semitic religious current was derived from the Egyptian world view that existed long before the "exodus". This "Out of Egypt" New Testament points to a return to origins rather than a fresh Egyptian influence in my opinion. Hopefully it's public availability will open some eyes that really need opening.

Anonymous said...

Around 60AD, wealthy politician and writer Lucius Piso imagined-up a well-known fictional character named Jesus, and -- applying the "sun god" story, originally written in Babylon for a character named Nimrod, to his own creation Jesus -- Lucius Piso wrote an astrological allegory called "Ur Marcus" which became "The Gospel According To Mark", and then his son Arius Piso completed his father's legacy by penning the remainder of the "Gospels", with a cast of characters who were a clever mix of astrological allegory with personalities from his own experience. Arius completed his works around 90AD. Two hundred and forty years later, the Council of Nicea re-branded those fictional works -- and it worked so well that the many companies which formed to promote and distribute their books can now afford to give away complimentary copies to anyone! The unstoppable father and son duo of Lucius Piso and Arius Piso are the best selling authors of all time! SOURCE: “THE BIGGEST SECRET” by David Icke (Chapter 5) ... and he cites a source called ... “THE TRUE AUTHORSHIP OF THE NEW TESTAMENT” by Abelard Reuchlin

According to Reuchlin ...

Around 50 CE, Roman aristocracy -- specifically the Calpurnius Piso family -- felt that the Jewish faith was growing too strong, so they decided to write a New Testament.

The original draft of Mark was called Ur Marcus and it was written by Lucius Calpurnius Piso in 60 CE. Matthew was written by Arius Calpurnius Piso in 70-75 CE. The second (present) draft of Mark was written by Arius Calpurnius Piso in 75-80 CE. Luke was written by Arius Calpurnius Piso (with the help of a poet named Pliny) in 85-to-90 CE. John was written by Justus Calpurnius Piso in 105 CE. Acts of the Apostles was written by Arius, Justus, and Pliny, between 96-to-100 CE. Romans was written in 100 CE by Proculus Calpurnius Piso. 1 Corinthians, Galatians and Ephesians, was written in 100-to-103 CE, by the poet Pliny. 2 Corinthians, and Philippians, were written between 103-to-105 by Justus. Colossians was written by Justus with his son Julianus, in 106-to-107 CE. 1 Timothy was written in 105 CE by Pliny. 2 Timothy was written in 107 CE by Justus. 1 and 2 Thessalonians were written in 105-to-110 CE by Justus with the help of Julianus and his nephew Silanus. Titus was penned in 103-to-105 CE by Pliny. Philemon was inked in 105-to 110 CE by Justus with help of Julianus. James was written in 110 CE by Justus. 1 and 2 Peter was written in 110-to-115 CE by Proculus. 1, 2, and 3 John, were written in 110-to-115 CE by Julius Calpurnius Piso. Julius also wrote Jude in 110-to-115 CE. Julius also wrote Revelation in 136-to-137 CE. Flavius Arrianus, a younger grandson of Piso, wrote Hebrews in 140 CE.

Here's an interesting site which says that George W. Bush is a bloodline descendant of Arrius Piso ...
http://www.angelfire.com/wi/famtree/georgewb.html

But by no means use this as an excuse to not read The New Testament. Read The New Testament. Yes Jesus is a fictional character, and yes he was written for political purposes, but that is no excuse to ignore it or shun it. The New Testament is a testament to the human capacity to compile the accumulated knowledge of generations into brilliant stories that have a lot to teach us about morality. The Jesus character is a great role model who speaks with a lot of wisdom, and a lot of parts of The New Testament make you feel really good as you read it. Read it, and respect it.

There are aspects of Quantum Physics which are only possible if a God exists, it seems. So although I believe that a lot of the characters who encourage people to pray to God are fictional, I believe that God exists, and I believe that the writers who created the characters of Jesus and Muhammad and Moses, although motivated by political reasons, regardless wrote much of their works from an inspiration from deep within their hearts, a drive to encourage people to pray to God, whether that was part of their original intention or not.

Acharya S said...

Thank you. While I agree that Jesus Christ is a fictional character, I disagree with the Piso theory. My take is that Christianity was the result of a concerted effort by a widespread brotherhood or brotherhoods throughout the Mediterranean, encompassing a multinational cabal of priests and politicians who were interested in unifying the Roman Empire under one state religion. This loosely knit but interconnected brotherhood included various groups called Therapeuts, including one centered at Alexandria, Egypt.

For more information on this subject, please see my books:

The Christ Conspiracy
Suns of God
Who Was Jesus?

whoknows said...

THANK YOU SISTER ACHARYA FOR EVERYTHING YOU HAVE DONE!
after my friends told me Jesus wasn't real, I came to terms with it after doing my own research about a year ago. Then, I was okay. Lived a simple life. Happy kid. Then I saw zeitgeist. Wow. Through me into another loop. After doing some research, I came across Yeshiwa. The "real" Jesus. I want to ask you...is he real? Maybe the reason we can not find "Jesus" is because he became so deluded from the real Yeshiwa. Check out this link and PLEASE comment back http://quicksitemaker.com/members/disciples/index.html
That would mean the world to me:-)

Anonymous said...

I have studied astrology for 30 years and I know that it is 100% true.... BUT I am also a Christian and I DO BELIEVE in Jesus. You will never leave this solar system, you will keep reincarnating until you reach the perfection of Jesus.
The Jesus teaching is of non-resistance which stops the laws of cause and effect that keep you bound here. YOU MUST LEARN THAT YOU WILL BE THE VICTIM OF YOUR OWN CRIMES. YOU WILL BE ON THE RECEIVING END OF WHAT YOU DO TO OTHERS EVENTUALLY..
God said revenge is his not ours.
Rapist come back to be raped. Murderers come back to be murdered.
So love your brother as Jesus loved you. Forgive and Love so you may be FREE.
My Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ

Believer said...

To refer to Christianity as a "Jewish-Egyptian hybrid", as this article does, is a farce. Christianity is the Gospel, handed down from God to mankind, as the one true Faith, and mankind's only hope for salvation and eternal life.

Thankfully, God has already made available his entire Gospel, just as He promised, in the form of the Holy Bible, 66 books from Genesis through Revelation. To anyone truly interested in the Faith (as a spiritual, rather than a mere academic, pursuit), the most reliable English language version is the King James Version. With that and a Strong's Concordance, you'll be fully equipped to commence the ultimate spiritual journey.

Anonymous said...

Perhaps Believer, because obedience is blind.

Mriana said...

BUT I am also a Christian and I DO BELIEVE in Jesus.

Why do I suddenly feel like I'm reading Peter Pan literature? Clap if you believe in fairies! "I do believe! I do believe!" That way Tinker Bell will live and not die. OY! Clapping my hands and shouting "I do believe" was fun as a child, but there comes a time when when we need to let go of our security blankets and enjoy literature for what it is and not live it as though it were reality. We don't need to have the security blanket in order to enjoy stories in a childlike way. We don't have to be childish to enjoy them.

Even the belief in angels is a take off from the past beliefs in fairies, something I did a research paper on in one of my Shakespeare courses. My Shakespearean prof loved my paper, but then she didn't and doesn't take the Christ myth so seriously either and she's not afraid to call it a myth.

But if you prefer to believe in fairies and clap your hands while saying, "I do believe!" then have at it and have fun. Just remember the Norse myth of Ragnarok is very much like the Apocalyptic belief of the Rapture myth- AKA Revelation attributed to John. It's just a mythical story.

Mriana said...

Thankfully, God has already made available his entire Gospel, just as He promised, in the form of the Holy Bible, 66 books from Genesis through Revelation. To anyone truly interested in the Faith (as a spiritual, rather than a mere academic, pursuit), the most reliable English language version is the King James Version.

No it is not. KJV has messed up a lot of the Greek and Hebrew, so it is not the most accurate version. Almah (Isaiah 7:11) in Hebrew is young maiden, not virgin. That is just for starters, but Mother Mary was not a virgin, but the story is a divine birth story much like many others and the Bible is not the inerrant word of God, but rather a work of humans who developed human concepts of a deity. This is no different from other cultures who developed god concepts.

Anonymous said...

believer "Christianity is the Gospel, handed down from God to mankind, as the one true Faith, and mankind's only hope for salvation and eternal life."

- Sorry, that's the farce. You can repeat it for another 2,000 years but it will never make it true. Besides, it says it right there in your beloved bible:

"Out of Egypt have I called my son"
-- The Gospel of Matthew (2:15)

B "God has already made available his entire Gospel, just as He promised, in the form of the Holy Bible, 66 books from Genesis through Revelation."

- But which version? Here are a few facts about the bible many folks may be unaware of:

The Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible, remarks:

"The NT [New Testament] is now known, in whole or in part,in nearly five thousand Greek MSS [manuscripts] alone. Every one of these handwritten copies differs from every other one

... It has been estimated that these MSS and quotations differ among themselves between 150,000 and 250,000 times. The actual figure is, perhaps, much higher. A study of 150 Greek MSS of the Gospel of Luke has revealed more than 30,000 different readings… It is safe to say that there is not one sentence in the NT in which the MS tradition is wholly uniform."
-- "Who Was Jesus?" 48

B "the most reliable English language version is the King James Version"

- This is a joke, right?

"The only definite account of his life and teachings is contained in the four Gospels of the New Testament, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. All other historical records of the time are silent about him. The brief mentions of Jesus in the writings of Josephus, Tacitus and Suetonius have been generally regarded as not genuine and as Christian interpolations; in Jewish writings there is no report about Jesus that has historical value. Some scholars have even gone so far as to hold that the entire Jesus story is a myth…"

-- The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia (v. 6, 83)

-- Who Was Jesus?" 84

Anonymous said...

Only a fool would deny the existence of Christ as a historical figure.

From a religious standpoint, I would say that this is another of God's revelations. But from an academic standpoint, it is very important that we try to verify and understand what ancient men thought and wrote.

Why do we deny the small miracles? Have faith.

Joe said...

Another chapter in the mythological opus known as Christianity. Some day, when the editors get it right, it will become the official international last word in a fictional account of a mythical being. Since there are so many Christian factions and sects, I doubt any editor will ever get it right! --jws

Anonymous said...

"Only a fool would deny the existence of Christ as a historical figure."

- LOL, with that line of reasoning only a fool would deny that Santa Claus, invisible pink unicorns, elves, gremlins, tooth fairies, flying spaghetti monsters, celestial teapots along with Zeus, Hercules, Osiris, Isis, Horus, Mithra, Krishna, Buddha exists too.

Mriana said...

It's the famous shame and guilt tactic. I pity the fool who falls for it and starts feeling guilt and shame over a myth that has no more reality than Horus.

Acharya S said...

Anonymous said...

Only a fool would deny the existence of Christ as a historical figure.

From a religious standpoint, I would say that this is another of God's revelations. But from an academic standpoint, it is very important that we try to verify and understand what ancient men thought and wrote.


Right. Someone who has studied the subject for decades and has discovered that there is no credible scientific evidence for the existence of Jesus Christ as a "historical" personage is a "fool," while someone who blindly believes the fabulous story in the New Testament, written by MEN, is not a "fool."

That's logical! Not. As is the following sentence, which completely invalidates the first:

"But from an academic standpoint, it is very important that we try to verify and understand what ancient men thought and wrote."

Yes, that's precisely what WE are doing, and we find that there is NO verification of the gospel FABLE and that it is perfectly understandable that, as the Greek priesthood created Zeus, Hera and the rest, the Jewish priesthood created Jesus, Mary, et al.

The preponderance of the science reveals Jesus Christ to be as mythical a character as Hercules.

Mriana said...

Acharya, I think he is talking about people buying into what those in academia tell them and not do the research themselves. Many of them are with the Church and do as the Church tells them to do and what to tell people. Thus they assist in forcing people to blindly follow a mythical story.

I do so much prefer those who are more honest scholars and ministers, even if they are charged or threaten with heresy.

j0 said...

just wanted to thank those who took time to make comments. i have found it interesting.

Acharya S said...

whoknows said...

THANK YOU SISTER ACHARYA FOR EVERYTHING YOU HAVE DONE!
after my friends told me Jesus wasn't real, I came to terms with it after doing my own research about a year ago. Then, I was okay. Lived a simple life. Happy kid. Then I saw zeitgeist. Wow. Through me into another loop. After doing some research, I came across Yeshiwa. The "real" Jesus. I want to ask you...is he real? Maybe the reason we can not find "Jesus" is because he became so deluded from the real Yeshiwa. Check out this link and PLEASE comment back http://quicksitemaker.com/members/disciples/index.html
That would mean the world to me:-)


While I do not have time to read that site in depth, my first instinct is that it is not much different from the "true believer" perspective. Over the decades, I've seen many spins put on the "real Jesus"; yet, there remains no evidence of any "historical" personage who resembles the character found in the New Testament. Indeed, the preponderance of evidence points to the biblical "Jesus Christ" being as mythical a figure as Hercules.

Anonymous said...

Something academics and other critics of religion will have to come to terms with is that most people are not really interested in truth as such at all. At most, most people want to "feel good" and are not interested in facts when their fictions make them happy. This is something that most creators and sustainers of religions have known and know today. Some use this knowledge to abuse gullible people while others use it to give structure and meaning to lives that would otherwise be dominated by basic and selfish desires that have destabilizing effects on society. We humans are just a little more complex than the other apes and most of us need to be given direction to maintain harmony in the group. Yes, there are those who are compassionate by nature and who do not need fables to guide them, but these are rare and they should rather work together to make society meaningful and harmonious than just break down what holds it together for most people who would rather leave the contemplation of truth and meaning in others hands while they get on with their mundane lives.

Joe said...

While most, if not all, ancient myths have a grain of truth in them, not unlike the science-fiction of today, it might be beneficial for those who believe in the whole "bible story" to read the Earth Chronicles, written by Zecharia Sitchin. Sitchin takes the interpretation of ancient myth to a whole new level. He paints a picture that more than rivals all of Christianity's and Judaism's fables. In a nut-shell, Sitchin's interpretation of "the creation of mankind" is more believable than the old and new testament. Please don't take my word for it -- check it out for yourselves... --jws

Anonymous said...

What can you expect from the Zionist America and you,r corrupt christian leader??You change the meaning of the Bible,the interpretation of it.You think that you are wise,but instead you are very stupid people.You preach a good felling Gospel,prosperity.You,r country has become Sodoma and Gomora since you remove the ten comandments from usa.You have law that marry MAN WITH MAN AND WOMAN WITH WOMAN.SOON YOU,R ZIONIST COUNTRY IS GOING TO BURN.I WANT TO SEE YOU THEN?WHO ARE YOU GOING TO BLAME THEN?WHAT ARE GOING TO DO WHEN GOD IS JUDGED YOUR PERVERSE,CRIMINAL COUNTRY??FOR HER SINS HAVE REACHED UNTO HEAVEN,AND GOD HATH REMEMBER HER INIQUITIES.HAW MUCH SHE HATH GLORIFIED HERSELF,AND LIVED DELICIOUSLY,SO MUCH TORMENT AND SORROW GIVE HER;FOR SHE SAITH IN HER HEART,I SIT A QUEEN,AND AM NO WIDOW,AND SHALL SEE NO SORROW. I WANT TO SEE YOU WHEN THE ZIONIST BANK OF FEDERAL RESERVE THAT PRINTED YOU,R MONEY,IS GOING DOWN.WHEN YOU,R DOLLAR IS WORTHLESS ,A SIMPLE PIECE OF PAPER WITH INK ON IT,I WANT TO SEE YOU WHEN RUSSIA,CUBA,VENEZUELA,NICARAGUA,MEXICO ARE INVADING YOU,R COUNTRY AND AMERICA(SODOMA)IS GOING TO BURN WITH NUCLEAR WEAPONS?? THEREFORE SHALL HER PLAQUES COME IN ODE DAY,DEATH,AND MOURNING,AND FAMINE;AND SHE SHALL BE UTTERLY BURNED WITH FIRE;FOR STRONG IS THE LORD GOD WHO JUDGETH HER.WHEN NEW YORK,FLORIDA,CALIFORNIA IS BURNING FROM NUCLEAR WEAPONS,WHO YOU GON,A TURN TO?

Anonymous said...

OMG Acharya S

God made you Hot!

Anonymous said...

One more thing Acharya (you're still hot IMO),

Many more revelations about Jesus can be found in a movie called "Empire of the City".

Guess who the (pregnant) Statue of Liberty really is....

Anonymous said...

The way I see it, Acharya, (this is the same anonmymous that thinks you're hot), it is the choice of two evils when it comes to modern religion.

Islam vs. Judaism vs. Catholicism vs. Protestantism vs. Hinduism vs. Buddhism vs. Athieism.

All those "isms", and the unfortuneate sad fact, all those deaths over religious "beliefs".

Here is my religion Acharya, "Do Good", and that is the complete work. There are not thousands of pages, mysterious figures, no parables, no miracles raining down in torrents, no lakes of fire and brimstone, no heretics and saints, no stories of genocides, no stories of wars - it's just two words.

And yet, with that belief, there are those who would rather see me dead because I refuse to become a paying subscriber to their religion.

In life Acharya, as you well know, there is good and there is evil. A good thing can be used for evil purposes. Good information can be used for evil manipulations.

The wolf is sheep's clothes is trumped by the wolf in sheppard's clothes.

For what it's worth, Jesus, whether one believes he existed or not, DID change the entire world - for THOUSANDS of years.

And that Acharya, is no small feat to attain.

As to the divinity of Christ, I feel that I shall find the answer after I'm dead, with much less turmoil.

Joe said...

If there was a God an I were He.

Personally, I think the God theory is too flawed to be tested: an a-priori statement is just that, no proof is either forthcoming or necessary for those who make the statement or believe it.

All I can say on the matter is this: If I were God, I would never have allowed any human being to know it. Humans would have to live out their lives without the promise of eternal reward and without the fear of eternal punishment. That way humans would more closely act out their lives as the "real" people they are.

The only imperative would be a categorical imperative: "Treat every human being as an end and not a means to an end."

All else seems to be a self-serving waste of effort... --jws

Anonymous said...

"I WANT TO SEE YOU WHEN RUSSIA,CUBA,VENEZUELA,NICARAGUA,MEXICO ARE INVADING YOU,R COUNTRY AND AMERICA(SODOMA)IS GOING TO BURN WITH NUCLEAR WEAPONS?? WHEN NEW YORK,FLORIDA,CALIFORNIA IS BURNING FROM NUCLEAR WEAPONS,WHO YOU GON,A TURN TO?"

Who am I going to turn to?

I can't speak for the rest of the world, but, that's simple...Russia, Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua, and Mexico.

And give'em a little sumpin' sumpin' in return for nuking New York, Florida, and California.

Payback's a be-yotch!

Anonymous said...

The Jesuitical Maxim

"Treat every human being as an end and not a means to an end."

The ends justify the means?
The means justify the ends?

Which is it?

Let's play a better game.

Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

Answer: The Amoeba that, after millions of years of evolution, formed a chicken.

The question is - where did the Amoeba come from?

And the answer to that, believe it or not, is from a jolt of electricty.

And that is how life - ALL LIFE - began on planet earth.

After years of tests, Amino Acids form in water that is subjected to electrical stikes. Amino Acids are the building blocks of Protiens, which are the essential ingredients for cells. The first one celled organisms were created by various proteins which formed after an electrical strike on the surface of the ocean, fusing the newly created amino acids with others, forming proteins which also fused to form the cell. Once those protiens fused, the first one celled organisms appered in the oceans of planet Earth.

Billions of years later, these one celled organismed evolved to changing conditions and for maximum suvivablity decided to unite with other cells and eventually became a chicken.

Now, the question is - where did the Lightning come from?

Joe said...

Emanuel Kant is the author of the "Categorical imperative".

Where did lightening come from? That's easy: from nothing. Beginnings and endings can only deal with "somethings" in a 3-dimensional universe. But a 3-dimensional universe can only be half of the "picture" at best. The other half? A non-3 dimensional universe. A non-3 dimensional universe, then, would of necessity be a nothing (no thing) universe. Therefore, lightning (which is something)would have to come from something called nothing. The speed of light is not a barrier -- the speed of light is the central point of physical and non-physical existence. To live in a non-physical state one has merely to think past the speed of light.

I know this from personal experience... --jws

Mriana said...

Hello Anonymous who thinks Acharya is hot. You say you feel you shall find the answer after you are dead, but the thing is, there is a great possibility that after you die, that's it and you won't know anything. So, how can you find the answer after you are dead? The afterlife is nothing but one more human concept, probably one in which people are afraid of its finality.

This is the only life we get, so we might as well make the best of it and learn all we can now and to do this, we have to think for ourselves. Before the late great Gene Roddenberry died he gave some great words of wisdom and that was, "Above all, think for yourself."

Secondly he also said, "We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing all-powerful God, who creates faulty Humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes."

Even the idea of a deity is a human concept. IF there is a god and IF there is an afterlife, both are far beyond anything any human can conceive of and to create any concept is to not describe either of them. Even one of the Tzu brothers said the same thing. So why waste your life trying to conceive of something that probably doesn't exist or IF it does, it is totally beyond anything you can conceive of.

Joe said...

"So why waste your life trying to conceive of something that probably doesn't exist or IF it does, it is totally beyond anything you can conceive of."

1)Poor logic: Nothing "conceived" can be inconceivable.

2)Something unthought of is just that -- unthought of.

Ah, but, the wonders of thinking past the speed of light in what I call a "Dynamic Information Universe" -- now THAT is something else again!

What is life but perception, the illusion of pain and pleasure and death?

If life-giving nutrients are harvested from fertilized soil, think what this earth is to the soaring spirit! Hell!

We are non-physical spirit projected into physical bodies. We incubate, we mature, we return to our real home -- spirit.

Are Gods and Angels involved with this process? No need for them. The cycle from spirit to body to spirit is a natural phenomenon which requires no Gods or Angels. But, one might ask, "what is on the other side?"

My answer: Wait and see, if you are unhappy here you will probably be unhappy "there". --jws

Anonymous said...

Jesus is the son of god,since we are in the most satanic era of all ,its normal for all the pagans and damned to come and tell blasphemies.I pity you and your darkness world of hate.If you dont believe in it why do you always come to those place and attack others.Blinded fools.

Acharya S said...

Anonymous said...

Jesus is the son of god,since we are in the most satanic era of all ,its normal for all the pagans and damned to come and tell blasphemies.I pity you and your darkness world of hate.If you dont believe in it why do you always come to those place and attack others.Blinded fools.


Actually, it's fools who believe that they can insult, bully and badger others into their delusions. Sorry, but such behavior does not convince me. What if someone were to do the same with you about Hercules, the Greek son of God?

Someone said:

Hercules is the son of God. Since we are in the most stupid era of all, it's normal for all the Christians and idiots to come and tell blasphemies. I pity you and your darkness world of hate. [sic] If you don't believe in it, why do you always come to those place [sic] and attack others? Blinded fools.


(I had to clean up the grammar somewhat.)

Not convinced of our Greek myths? Why should we be convinced of your Jewish fairytales?

What is "those place?" And, by the way, YOU came to THIS place and attacked us, attempting to insult and bully us into believing in your delusion.

You can free yourself of this delusion and just be a real human being. It's not that hard, and it is quite liberating.

Good luck!

Mriana said...

Poor logic? I'd say yours is even poorer, Joe. I was saying what you conceive concerning a god or the afterlife is hardly what it really is, IF it exists. What you are saying is just as bad as my mother saying, "It would not be heaven without our pets." Thing is, we have that now and we should charish it in the here and now, not later after we are dead, because it will be too late then.

Everything people seem to think about an afterlife is what we have now here on earth. IF that is the afterlife, then we already have that, so what is the point of having the very same thing after we are dead? Thus "the kingdom is among you." That is Biblical and if you understand that such texts are talking about the sun, moon, earth, etc. then it becomes more obvious that this is it and we should appreciate what we have.

Whatever the afterlife is, IF it exists is not what we have already. It can't be. It has to be far more than we can ever imagine. However, given that "the kingdom is among you" then I would say this is indeed it. Not only that, it is within you, among you, and all around you. You are living within it now.

One more that signifies this is it and even says it is within you:

(3) Jesus said, "If those who lead you say to you, 'See, the kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is inside of you, and it is outside of you. When you come to know yourselves, then you will become known, and you will realize that it is you who are the sons of the living father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty." Saying of Thomas 3.

It is only outside of you, in that it is in everything, every animal, every plant, even the earth itself, as well as the uninverse.

ie: Thomas (77) Jesus said, "It is I who am the light which is above them all. It is I who am the all. From me did the all come forth, and unto me did the all extend. Split a piece of wood, and I am there. Lift up the stone, and you will find me there."

Once again, you aren't going to find it in the afterlife, but ratehr in the here and now. You aren't going to find anything "on the other side", except earth. "Remember you are dust and dust you shall return." People are part of this vast ecosystem and not apart from it. All that happens after death is that you are recycled back into the earth and you then become part of other organisms, such as food for plants because you are part of the earth, just as everything else is. It is in nature and that is what is really being discussed in all the symbolism of religious texts.

There is no spirit, no soul, that goes anywhere. It is part of the earth and the chemical composition of the human body can be found in the earth and the sun is also part of our survival. Without the sun, we all die. Of course, if religious radicals use their god (the nuclear bomob) then that will wipe out the human race as well as other life on earth, but the sun will still be there and it will still have an affect on the earth. The only thing breaking through the clouds, aside from the nuke, will be the sun. Not some human created deity.

Anonymous said...
Jesus is the son of god,since we are in the most satanic era of all ,its normal for all the pagans and damned to come and tell blasphemies.I pity you and your darkness world of hate.If you dont believe in it why do you always come to those place and attack others.Blinded fools.


Blind fools? Let's review, the sun is part of the universe and the Son (Sun) of God is the symbol for the sun. I have said nothing to contradict any of that, just your own theology. If anyone is blind, it is those who follow blindly the teachings of the Church and dogma there of. That is blind faith.

Now would any of you like to go beyond the Gnostic and Biblical Gospels? Maybe Taoism or even Buddhism? If I can find some of the text, I could probably do Horus even. I can still show they are all actually talking about what is here on earth and within the universe, not some supernatural mythical place.

The problem is, no one pays any attention to what is happening to the earth anymore, not like early Pagans did when they based planting, fertility riturals, and alike on their environment. While there was superstition involved, there was some survival value within living by the cycle of the sun and it's affect on the earth. When we anthropomorphisized all of that, we lost touched with the earth and thus began destroying it and working against it, thereby destroying ourselves. I belive it is possible to live in harmony with it, yet still become an advanced technological society.

There is no darkness in that nor is there any need for a deity, angels, or anything else that is supernatural. All it needs is knowing it is all within you, everything else within the universe, and that you are part of the earth, which is part of the universe. People don't need a religious mythological text to realize that. Science can help with that and even give it more details esp the more we study ourselves and our environment.

Mriana said...

And, by the way, YOU came to THIS place and attacked us, attempting to insult and bully us into believing in your delusion.

I don't think they can succeed by insulting and bullying us. They don't seem to realize that their minds are in the dark, placed there by Church authority via guilt, shame, and fear. They feel safer under such control, instead of thinking for themselves. It would seem, they prefer the darkness (like a cold dark dreery cave), rather then the Sun, which is warm, bright, and emancipating/liberating (like riding a horse bareback in a field of green grass mixed with wild flowers on a warm summer day). ;) Now that horse scene is something to adore, even meditate on or relax with.

OK maybe I'm over doing the metaphor and similie, but I'm sure you get what I'm saying. They can dish it out, but they can't take it. They don't want to consider anything but what they have been taught via Church dogma and to lose that delusion would mean to them nothing to live for. They can't see the beauty in nature or even living life itself.

Joe said...

Mriana, you evidently didn't read past my "poor logic" statement. That's a shame. Also, your mother was correct. Pets possess an unconditional love unrivaled by mere humans. --jws

Mriana said...

Joe said...
Mriana, you evidently didn't read past my "poor logic" statement. That's a shame. Also, your mother was correct. Pets possess an unconditional love unrivaled by mere humans. --jws


No, I read your whole post, just as I did now. You make no sense, esp with this post. Maybe if you could be more coherent, maybe we would understand each other better. Your simple statements don't even have any clear explainations, much less any scientific support.

And just how is my mother correct when everything she describes is right here. I'd say it is time for everyone to open their eyes and face reality, instead of living in a delusional fantasy world. This delusion is probably why believers are rarely coherent.

Joe said...

Yes, Mriana, you must be correct, you certainly think so. Bye-bye! --jws

Mriana said...

I didn't say I was correct, Joe. I gave my view in both religious (which was not Xian dogma or doctrine or any specific religious doctrine for that matter) and scientific terms. I also used a variety of written skills to communicate my views. Furthermore, I asked you how my mother was correct and stated that you didn't make any sense.

Obviously you can't explain yourself, otherwise you would have made a much better attempt. At least I made the attempt to explain my POV in great detail using many written techniques and skills, as well as used religious texts that supported my view in order to appease those with religious views, specifically Xian. You have done neither nor anything else to explain in terms that make any sense to the religious and/or non-religious. You've only given brief statements, sometimes using only one or two sentences. Such brief statements give no clarity to one's view. Seems to me you don't know how to explain anything, not even in metaphor, similie, any other use of literary techniques, or even scientific evidence. Therefore, it also appears you need to learn some written communication skills, besides religious dogma that was drilled into you.

Give me some coherent statements explaining your position and maybe we can discuss your views. Short and brief statements don't cut the mustard. (That last sentence is use of cliche.)

Joe said...

Against my better judgment I'll answer your dogmattic diatribe by merely posting, in chronological order, my contributions to this blog. If there is anywhere in these posts even the slightest hint that I might be a Christian, then you, Mriana, need glasses. Also, don't ask me to join your church -- you need believers and I just don't have the patience, my dear... --jws

Joe said...
Another chapter in the mythological opus known as Christianity. Some day, when the editors get it right, it will become the official international last word in a fictional account of a mythical being. Since there are so many Christian factions and sects, I doubt any editor will ever get it right! --jws
3:22 AM

Joe said...
While most, if not all, ancient myths have a grain of truth in them, not unlike the science-fiction of today, it might be beneficial for those who believe in the whole "bible story" to read the Earth Chronicles, written by Zecharia Sitchin. Sitchin takes the interpretation of ancient myth to a whole new level. He paints a picture that more than rivals all of Christianity's and Judaism's fables. In a nut-shell, Sitchin's interpretation of "the creation of mankind" is more believable than the old and new testament. Please don't take my word for it -- check it out for yourselves... --jws
12:57 PM

Joe said...
If there was a God and I were He.

Personally, I think the God theory is too flawed to be tested: an a-priori statement is just that, no proof is either forthcoming or necessary for those who make the statement or believe it.

All I can say on the matter is this: If I were God, I would never have allowed any human being to know it. Humans would have to live out their lives without the promise of eternal reward and without the fear of eternal punishment. That way humans would more closely act out their lives as the "real" people they are.

The only imperative would be a categorical imperative: "Treat every human being as an end and not a means to an end."

All else seems to be a self-serving waste of effort... --jws
7:45 PM

Joe said...
Emanuel Kant is the author of the "Categorical imperative".

Where did lightning come from? That's easy: from nothing. Beginnings and endings can only deal with "somethings" in a 3-dimensional universe. But a 3-dimensional universe can only be half of the "picture" at best. The other half? A non-3 dimensional universe. A non-3 dimensional universe, then, would of necessity be a nothing (no thing) universe. Therefore, lightning (which is something)would have to come from something called nothing. The speed of light is not a barrier -- the speed of light is the central point of physical and non-physical existence. To live in a non-physical state one has merely to think past the speed of light.

I know this from personal experience... --jws
10:28 PM

Joe said...
"So why waste your life trying to conceive of something that probably doesn't exist or IF it does, it is totally beyond anything you can conceive of."

1)Poor logic: Nothing "conceived" can be inconceivable.

2)Something unthought of is just that -- unthought of.

Ah, but, the wonders of thinking past the speed of light in what I call a "Dynamic Information Universe" -- now THAT is something else again!

What is life but perception, the illusion of pain and pleasure and death?

If life-giving nutrients are harvested from fertilized soil, think what this earth is to the soaring spirit! Hell!

We are non-physical spirit projected into physical bodies. We incubate, we mature, we return to our real home -- spirit.

Are Gods and Angels involved with this process? No need for them. The cycle from spirit to body to spirit is a natural phenomenon which requires no Gods or Angels. But, one might ask, "what is on the other side?"

My answer: Wait and see, if you are unhappy here you will probably be unhappy "there". --jws
11:35 PM

Joe said...
Mriana, you evidently didn't read past my "poor logic" statement. That's a shame. Also, your mother was correct. Pets possess an unconditional love unrivaled by mere humans. --jws
11:54 AM

Now, my dear, if you cannot understand the written word, try a different language, more suited to your temperment. --jws

Mriana said...

Joe, my diatribe is hardly dogmatic and I have no church or god of any religion. Again, whatever you are talking about makes no sense and just sounds like a bunch of dogmatic religious mumbo jumbo to me. Seems to me you don't know what you are talking about and just spouting off a bunch of things, even repeating those things, which are meaningless. It may not be of the Christian doctrine, but it still sounds like religious theology to me.

What "other side"? Do you have a name or a concept for this "other side"? What is "spirit to body to spirit phenomenon"? I don't know what the heck you are talking about, thus it makes no sense. Where is "there"? What is "there"? (I mean what is the place, not what will be there) What "soaring spirit"? What is a "soaring spirit"? Which "God theory" are you talking about? Judaism, Christian, Buddhism, Hinduism, Shinto, New Age? How do you preceive my mother is correct and I am wrong?

Without clarification or definition your words have no meaning and could even be New Age theological words for all I know. You may be using English words, but the words are empty in meaning. It's like saying "the Path to Salvation" to a person who has no idea of Evangelical theology or even experienced that theology. Even they would not understand and would ask what it is. Until they know what it is, those words would have no meaning to them.

Until such words are clarified, it is just religious mumbo jumbo with no essence to it.

Acharya S said...

Not sure what the dilemma is here with Mriana and Joe - you seem to be on the same "side" as concerns religion, mythology and Christianity, etc.

Anonymous said...

so what about the jewish god?, whats your stand point?

Acharya S said...

Anonymous said...

so what about the jewish god?, whats your stand point?


The Jewish god is just that, a Jewish cultural artifact. None of these "sacred texts" such as the Bible or Koran contains anything that could remotely be called "the god of the cosmos." Such a god by its definition could not be contained or described in a book, certainly not one written by a bunch of petty humans in an tiny isolated spot 2500 or more years ago.

The Egyptians had a far richer perception of reality, much more cosmic, as would befit any such god, should we choose to conceive one. The reduction of the fabulous Egyptian religion to what is found in the Bible or the Koran represents the real blasphemy!

Blecch. We've been gypped.

Mriana said...

IF we are on the same side, why does he come across as some New Ager? And why does he sound like he thinks I have a religion? Gee, I thought that was clear when I said it was all right here and there is no afterlife. I wasn't talking Xian dogma or theology, but I did use a few of their texts against them to show my point that it is all right here.

No, Joe, I don't think you are a Christian, but I do get the impression that you believe in something or at least talking about something and it's not quite atheism though, but I can't put my finger on it. Clarification of words would be helpful or at least clarifying the ideology for those words.

I'm not even sure if he is still talking about Xianity specifically or what. Could be Shintoism for all I know, but I'm not sure how this, specifically Japan, is hell for the Kami though. And how in the world are Kami tied to only one little island and that island, or series of islands, somehow doesn't get overpopulated with humans, animals, and Kami?

Um... never mind. I am now digressing.

Joe said...

Mriana pontificated:
“Joe, my diatribe is hardly dogmatic and I have no church or god of any religion. Again, whatever you are talking about makes no sense and just sounds like a bunch of dogmatic religious mumbo jumbo to me. Seems to me you don't know what you are talking about and just spouting off a bunch of things, even repeating those things, which are meaningless. It may not be of the Christian doctrine, but it still sounds like religious theology to me.”

Mriana, had you simply asked me about my theory on Dynamic Information I would have gladly answered you. But to listen to you spout off your own brand of religious invective is not conducive to adult conversation.

My theory is strictly scientific. It needs no gods, devils, angels or saviors to “make it work”. If you are familiar with Michio Kaku’s multi-(hyper)-dimensional model as a mutual starting point I’d be happy to tell you about 30 years of work on my theory. If you are not familiar with hyper-dimensional physics, don’t attempt to waste my time pretending you do.

Your mother was alluding to the fact that heaven without her pet would not be heaven. I have no idea what your mother’s definition of heaven is/was; there are as many definitions of heaven as there are human beings. But I do know, from experience that my first pet dog (actually my best friend) meant more to me than many so-called human beings. That is what I was alluding to when I stated my opinion, concerning your mother/pet/heaven.

When I use words, such as “other side” you will notice I put them in “” because there is, in reality, no “other side”. Everything is “here” (notice the “” around here). If you understand quantum physics you will know the simple meaning of this phrase.

Yes, I have names for all of my concepts. I’m afraid you will not know the language but that makes no difference to me – you can be silent and learn or you can keep butting in with your annoying whining. Do you want to learn or not?

When I started posting here I did not think the topic was worth using any type of science type language, after all, the topic is about a myth wrapped in an enigma, pretending to be something other than rational thought. Nor do I cast my pearls before swine. If I do reveal my theory, in essence, you will not have the benefit of the key to make it work. That key will never be written down on paper. It will, however be handed down to certain “guardians” who will judge when the time is right for said key to be inserted. The military uses of my theory (if totally revealed) would be just enough to enslave mankind, sooner than later. I will not be a party to that.

But the main body of my theory is interesting enough without the key. With this in mind and subject to my above qualifications, let me know if you’d like to hear it. --jws

Romeo Steele said...

Dear Acharya,
Although I do not agree with your theories, still I respect your right to free expression. May I humbly suggest you research the book "The Mysterious Bible Codes" by Grant R. Jeffrey and similar publications, like that of Yacov Rambsel. Your search for "credible scientific evidence" for the historical existence of Jesus Christ has always been doomed from the start, as you have not taken into consideration alternate paradigms for solutions to certain mysteries or serendipities which may have confused you. Still, I wish you well and hope and pray someday that you will realize that science cannot always answer the many other questions that only faith, balanced with reason, can answer.
Nor can we afford to ignore other factors in this equation, like the world of the supernatural, of documented divine healings or all kinds of miracles that have happened to all kinds of people all over the world, or of exorcisms, or of incorruptible bodies like that of St. Bernadette which you can see or investigate for yourself, or of people who have been clinically dead and come back to life (or even people who have even been raised from the dead even in this modern era) and so on and on. You're a highly intelligent woman, Acharya, though some people may like to suspect that you are under the secret pay of the international power elite known as the Illuminati, those secret, super-rich, sophisticated Satanists who have been financing all kinds of mischief - bloody revolutions, world wars, political assassinations, genocides, HAARP weather warfare, killer virus catastrophes, hypnotized suicide bomber missions, chem trail actions, GMO, supression of cancer cures and breakthrough technologies, etc. --- not to forget their usual stuff like secret codes, rituals and other horrors like sex slaveries and human sacrifices ---as their ultimate goals include spreading their sabbatean Luciferianism, their one world government/global totalitarian rule, their microchip implant spysurveillance/cashless economy schemes...and now with their control of an interlocked world economy, their deliberate debacling of the Oil and Food issues...to their longterm sinister agenda, of course. Do you know that the Illuminati - that upper level Cryptocracy networked around America, Britain and Western Europe openly admit their support of "depopulation programs" (talk to Henry Kissinger) or that they have no loyalty or patriotism feeling for any country, since they see the ideas of national sovereignty, political liberties and basic rights as stumbling blocks to their Globalist Conspiracy? And standing in their way are the Christians - and other good-hearted religionists of other faiths - who STILL believe in democracy, liberty, human rights and basic freedoms. That's why the Illuminati hate them so much, as these good people stand against everything these Mass Murder Mammonists live for: death, destruction, decadence, decay and demonism -- and their philosophy is Lie-Cheat-Kill-Steal...and they allow themselves to be possessed, and they enjoy being possessed...as they go about their way with their Crimes Against Humanity as World Class Psychopaths.
Take a quiet time one sweet night and look at the stars, and remember the words of a poet: "My soul, there is golden country far beyond the stars."
When the following day breaks forth, perhaps you would like to paraphrase 2 Peter 2:19 and make a positive affirmation mantram out of it, and as you wake up in bed or go to the window or make a stretch out in the new day light, you can speak forth:
like a lamp shining
in the darkness until
the dawning of the day
and the morning star
rises in my heart
(Reconsider your position, Acharya: What if there is a God?)
Take care of yourself.
Sincerely yours,
Romeo Steele

Anonymous said...

Hi. I'm the guy who left the comment about the Pisos, to which you replied about a multinational cabal and brotherhoods, etc. I want to know if you've read Reuchlin's book. He talks about a code the Pisos used to identify their work, and he shows examples of that code in The New Testament, and in the works of Josepus ... whom Reuchlin asserts is a pen-name of one of the Pisos. I'm actually in agreement with what you say about a multinational cabal and brotherhoods; however, I believe that Reuchlin presents a tight case in his book, so I'm suggesting that the Pisos were in a leadership position in that cabal. I'm suggesting that that cabal/brotherhood filtered information to the Pisos and that the Pisos were the compilers/writers. If you haven't read Reuchlin's book, please read it. It's rare, and you might not be able to get a copy of it, but I do have a photocopy of the entire book. If you've never read it, and if you want to read it, and if you can't find a copy, we can make arrangements to mail a photocopy to you if you e-mail me at newlegend2005@yahoo.ca

Acharya S said...

Romeo Steele said...

Your search for "credible scientific evidence" for the historical existence of Jesus Christ has always been doomed from the start, as you have not taken into consideration alternate paradigms for solutions to certain mysteries or serendipities which may have confused you.

(Reconsider your position, Acharya: What if there is a God?)


Yes, but I'm talking about what has really occurred on the THIRD DIMENSION as HISTORY, which we can perfectly comprehend without all the mystical mumbo-jumbo. Regardless of what you or Grant Jeffrey come up with, the fact will remain that in the THIRD DIMENSION there remains no evidence for the existence of the New Testament character called "Jesus Christ" and everything points to him being as mythical as Hercules.

Or are you suggesting that Hercules too was a "real person," followed by some confabulated satanic conspiracy theory to prove that notion? If so, then the GREEK son of God would be just as legitimate as the Jewish son of God.

And speaking of God, you do not know what my position on God is, so you remark above is absurdly condescending, as is your presumption that I am "confused." Just because someone doesn't believe in Jesus Christ as a historical figure who actually appeared in the third dimension doesn't mean s/he doesn't believe in God. You are confusing the two concepts.

If you don't believe in Hercules as a historical figure, does that mean you don't believe in God? If you were a follower of Greek religion 2,500 years ago, someone like you might erroneously suspect that you didn't believe in God because you questioned the historical reality of Hercules.

That being said, I certainly do not believe in the God depicted in the Bible or the Koran or any other so-called sacred text. These are manmade artifacts that cannot contain what we define as "God."

See my essay, What is God?

Mriana said...

Joe, I think you missed a WHOLE lot of things in what I said. I did say everything is here on earth and denied any thoughts of an afterlife, there are no gods or anything else in my view. Wherever you got that, maybe a confusion between pointing out religious ideology and the reality of things. Whatever you are saying is religious in my post, esp when I pointed out that their own texts point to no afterlife, I have no clue. IMHO, whatever beef you have with anything I said, it's rediculous, because if what you say is true, then Acharya is right, we are on the same side and have no need for such animosity between us.

Romeo, I get so tired of such attacks on Acharya. Why can't Acharya be herself instead of believing what you believe? Why does she have to believe as you do? You, and other Xians who drop in spouting off their ideology, remind me of the Tao story of emperors Dramatic, Change, and Chaos, but you probably don't know that story. Even so, the moral of that story is forcing people to be like everyone else is not a good thing, but rather it is a bad thing. I doubt you can change Acharya, but IF you could and did, I don't think you would be so happy with the results in the long run. Why not just let her be and not try to impose your deity on her?

Joe said...

No, my dear Mriana, I missed nothing. It is you who missed what I was saying (in plain English). No matter, I shall drift away from this blog as silently as I entered. Please do not reply to this post. --jws

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Anonymous said...

Acharya, what is your take on the "Magdalen Papyrus" dated by papyrologist CP Thiede at pre-66AD?

Nebu Atun-Re Rameses said...

Utcha, (Salutations)

Eye see that you have a book coming out entitled "Chrits in Egipt".
Eye hope that it is filled with facts as that book has Already been Published http://alleyesonegypt.net/catalog/item/312508/71366.htm going on 5 years now, Written by My Master Teacher the Noble Malachai Z.York EL 720.

Eye only hope that you are not Plagiarizing his work to gain fame. as only he can dispell the Ancient Egiptian Mysteries with Facts no assumptions and Theories.

Since The Gov. has illegally kidnapped him in an effort to stop the spread of the Truth it is mine and my Nations mission to free him and continue to Set The Record strait.

God Came Out Of Egipt

Nuwaubic Is The Most Ancient
Of Tongues And is From Egypt.
GOD Himself, Says He Is From Egypt!

Read Your Bible: Book Of Hosea 13:4
Hosea 13:4
"Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no Saviour beside me."

"God Came Out Of Egipt"

Why spell Egipt with an "i"?

…The original letter yod of Hebrew and Arabic was taken from the original "i" of Cuneiform or Nuwaubic, the original name of the script Cuneiform, which symbol was in actuality an eye, as you see in the word eye, the letter y is trapped between two e's, for there is another letter in the Semetic languages that have the same sound "E", and it's called ah'yin in Hebrew and a'iyn in Arabic, which is the initial sound of the tone, "Aum". As seen used in the Sanskrit symbol for Aum. It symbolizes seeing is not believing, but rather seeing is knowing; hearing is believing. The all eye seeing, the all seeing eye. In our revelations we use the letter "i" instead of "y" because "i" is the nineth letter and it better suits our order, being that nine is the highest number.

We want to impress upon our Christian Brothers and Sisters who study the Bible the importance of realizing that your Bible was not revealed in the Language that you speak here in America referred to as English. Indeed since GOD came out of Egipt we should ask ourselves "What Language did the Egiptians speak?" The answer is Medu Neter, which is Nuwaubic and is translated "Words of God". The Greeks came along and renamed our Language "Hieroglphics", which is translated into English as "Sacred Writings.

So again Eye Hope that you are not trying to stake claim to Knowledge that is already out there. I applaud you efforts though asthe truth must be know but @ what cost?

The Knowledge we as The Tamareans (Egiptians) posess goes beyond this solar system, so pleas be careful in you works as there are those out to decieve you all.

Hotep Wa A'shug Antuten
Nebu Atun-Re Rameses

Acharya S said...

Thanks. Nothing to worry about here, as I would never use any of York's work.

My book "Christ in Egypt: The Horus-Jesus Connection" uses thousands of ancient Egyptian primary sources, as well as the works of highly credentialed authorities - all carefully quoted and cited, with over 2,200 footnotes, drawing from more than 750 sources.

Here's a sample:

The Nativity Scene at Luxor

I resent the use of the word "plagiarize" and its implications.

It would be a good idea to actually look at someone's work before you make untoward insinuations towards them.

Anonymous said...

I'd be careful with that Piso/Jesus theory. It's very one-sided, doesn't consider alternative explanations, doesn't seem aware of basic facts about Roman life and language, and has a clear anti-Christian agenda. The whole reason any of these "scholars" bother to make such a theory is to bring the end of Christianity. It's religious persecution. There's nothing else to call it.

Conspiracy theorists are politicians, not scientists. They do science backwards: make a conclusion and then pick around for "evidence" that points to their conclusion. They're not interesting in dissenting evidence. The magic of conspiracy theories is their built-in mechanism for silencing all opposition: if any facts suggest that the theory is wrong, theorists can write them off as fabrications of the ruling class. Such theories have a lot in common with belief in the supernatural: you can neither prove nor disprove them.

Why does everything we dislike have to be an evil conspiracy? Can't we just let go, and focus on what we DO like? If we hate people, fine. We have the right to hate. But inflating hate into a self-righteous cause is the best way to start wars.

Acharya S said...

I don't subscribe to the Piso theory, and I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I'm a scholar of comparative religion and mythology.

Matilda Beupine said...

What if evidence that Jesus came from tons of other religions doesn't prove his story false? What if it proves his story true? So true that every culture in every time wants to get its hands on that story? Since when is historical, physical truth the only truth there can ever be? Does the future not count? What if all religions are like performances: bodily enactments of the intuitive/spiritual truth? Even if their authors and actors think they're making a hoax...what if they're really not? What if the hoax is on THEM? What if they're not aware they're moving with a truthful current?

It's impossible to tell a complete lie. Even if you say "I am the Queen of Egypt" when you know you're a Russian-American engineer, you're still saying a mouthful when you say "I am."

Anonymous said...

I know, Acharya, and I wasn't addressing it to you. I was addressing it to anyone who thinks the Piso theory is (this is a figure of speech and I know it's odd to use it when talking about the Piso theory) the Second Coming of Christ.

Acharya S said...

Matilda Beupine said...

What if evidence that Jesus came from tons of other religions doesn't prove his story false? What if it proves his story true? So true that every culture in every time wants to get its hands on that story?


The proliferation of this story reflects its origin as a solar myth.

For more information, please see my books:

The Christ Conspiracy
Suns of God
Who Was Jesus?
Christ in Egypt

Anonymous said...

Just wanted to reply to posting by the fellow positing the "Piso Theory." Interesting, but a bit far-fetched. I'll go with Acharya's take on the NT's origin.

Also, the point about quantum theory, or some aspects, requiring a "God" isn't true. If you want to believe, great. I don't. If there is a God (to paraphrase Noam Chomsky), he must be a god of evil.

Anonymous said...

I was researching something for myself when I came across this blog and after reading all the posts, I just felt I needed to leave a comment.

My first comment would be in answer to "Who Knows Said" asking about "Yeshiwa" being the true name of Jesus Christ. Contrary to the other gentlemen's answer, "Yeshiwa" is in fact the hebrew name for Jesus and yes, they are historically proven to be one and the same.

It is good to see so many analyzing the the history and content of the bible, but it saddens me to see so many concluding that since the bible is not a 100% accurate accounting than Christ never existed and there is no spirit or soul, and no after life. Than there are those who are asking the legitimate question, if it is real, which one is real?

I guess my question to those who have rejected the idea of Jesus (Yeshiwa), any higher power entity or diety, and especially to those who feel we have no spirit or soul of our own would be, have you truly never had any experience in your life where you could feel the existance of a loving god, or a higher power or some energy force that exists beyond what we can see and prove? I'm not asking about what you studied or can be proven, I am asking about a feeling inside yourself. And have you truthfully never had anything happen in your life such as astrally projecting during sleep or floating above yourself, where you were aware that the energy in you is seperate from your physical body? I think every person has had moments that they were aware that there is something that exists beyond what we understand, but we are so trained to disbeleive that which cannot be seen or physically proven does not exist, so we convince ourselves that our feelings are inaccurate instead of acknowledging that all though we may not understand something existance, that does not mean it is not there.

We can not see the wind, but it still blows. And we still feel it, so if we can feel that energy,even if it cannot be scientifically proven what is to say it does not exist?

To those quoting damnation and hell fire for the non-beleivers and claiming "satanism" inspired this, the reality is if you believe every word written in the bible, than based on the story of God and Lucifer, Lucifer was responsible for the creation of all things physical and the Holy Spirit for all things spiritual, therefor this entire planet, including the churches and the physical doctrines such as the bible were in fact created by Lucifer. When quoting the bible, try to remember that Lucifer was supposed to have been god's best angel until he disagreed as to the form we should exist in, physical vs. spiritual. The entire concept of "evil", "satan" and the existance of the "devil" who would be responsible for punishing those who did not beleave in various doctrines presented by organized religions was in fact created by those religions in an attempt to control people through religous belief. In the original story of Lucifer and God's seperation, which resulted in the physical and spiritual planes, there was nothing of that nature represented.