Once again, the Muslim world has gone into a state of apoplexy and thrown a fit, or FITNA, as the case may be. What else is new?
For those who haven't heard, "FITNA" is a movie by Dutch politician Geert Wilders exposing the connection between the Islamic holy text the Koran/Quran and the violence found abundantly in the Muslim world for the past 1,400 years or so.
This movie - which, we are constantly reminded, no one has ever seen - is so powerful, apparently, that the entire Muslim religion will be destroyed by it in a heartbeat. At least, that's the impression given by the incredible frantic knee-jerk reaction that had the unprecedented affect of shutting down the film's website before anything of substance was even posted there!
Because of "complaints," the registrar of Wilders's domain fitnathemovie.com, Network Solutions, has "temporarily suspended" the account, which means the film cannot be posted there. This censorship situation occurred precisely at the point when Wilders claimed he would release the film. Here is a screenshot of the site with the notice from Network Solutions:
When we go to the site to see what could possibly be so egregious as to cause such aggressive behavior, we are faced with a "Acceptable Use Policy" that prohibits the following:
"...material that is obscene, defamatory, libelous, unlawful, harassing, abusive, threatening, harmful, vulgar, constitutes an illegal threat, violates export control laws, hate propaganda, fraudulent material or fraudulent activity, invasive of privacy or publicity rights, profane, indecent or otherwise objectionable material of any kind or nature."
We would wager that Network Solutions is investigating "FITNA" under "hate propaganda," an ironic situation in consideration of the fact that this movie is allegedly basically just a recitation of the KORAN - indeed, that it is apparently making the case that the KORAN itself constitutes "hate propaganda." How else are we to interpret a text - the KORAN - that repeatedly calls for the deaths and/or punishment of non-believers and that has been followed to such ends as to lead to the deaths and/or punishment of hundreds of millions of people?
Here are just a few of the attacks on "infidels" in the Koran - "scriptures" that have unquestionably been used over the centuries to slaughter unbelievers of all manner - and that is precisely what "FITNA" was supposedly designed to demonstrate to the world.
(Translation by N.J. Dawood: The Koran: With a Parallel Arabic Text, Penguin Classics, 1991)If these quotes from the Koran do not constitute HATE PROPAGANDA, then what does? According to Network Solutions, a 10 or 15-minute film that exposes such attacks on infidels (and women) does represent "hate propaganda!" In other words, with their disgraceful behavior, Network Solutions is preventing millions of people from their "God-given" right to know what is in the Koran and how it has been used to conquer and "slay idolaters" around the world.
This Book is not to be doubted.... As for the unbelievers, it is the same whether or not you forewarn them; they will not have faith. God has set a seal upon their hearts and ears; their sight is dimmed and grievous punishment awaits them. --Q 2:1-2:6-2:10; "The Cow," Dawood, pp. 1-2.
The only true faith in God's sight is Islam. --Q 3:19; "The Imrans," Dawood, p. 51.
He that chooses a religion over Islam, it will not be accepted from him and in the world to come he will be one of the lost. --Q 3:85, "The Imrans," Dawood, p. 60.
God's curse be upon the infidels! Evil is that for which they have bartered away their souls. To deny God's own revelation, grudging that He should reveal His bounty to whom He chooses from among His servants! They have incurred God's most inexorable wrath. An ignominious punishment awaits the unbelievers. --Q 2:89-2:90, "The Cow," Dawood, p. 13.
Fight for the sake of God those that fight against you, but do not attack them first. God does not love the aggressors.
Slay them wherever you find them. Drive them out of the places from which they drove you. Idolatry is worse than carnage.... --Q 2:190-2:191, "The Cow," Dawood, p. 28.
[Note that within Islam, many things can and are interpreted to be "aggression," such that the death penalty is freely handed out.]
When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them.... --Q 9:5; "Repentance," Dawood, p. 186.
Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate. --Q 9:73, "Repentance," Dawood, p. 198.
Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and forsake them in beds apart, and beat them. Then if they obey you, take no further action against them. Surely God is high, supreme. --Q 4:34, "Women," Dawood, p. 83.
And in the meantime, Network Solutions has no problem, apparently, serving as the registrar of the violent terrorist organization Hizbollah, the "Army of God!" So much for the "ethics" of Network Solutions. Note that the "WHOIS" information for hizbollah.org has now been CENSORED to omit the fact that it is Network Solutions who is the registrar! The "WHOIS" information specifically naming Network Solutions as the registrar for hizbollah.org has now been replaced with:
WHOIS LIMIT EXCEEDED - SEE WWW.PIR.ORG/WHOIS FOR DETAILS
Registrant Street2: care of Network Solutions
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City: Herndon
Registrant State/Province: VA
Registrant Postal Code: 20172
Registrant Country: US
Registrant Phone: +1.570708878
Needless to say, the behavior of Network Solutions is cowardly and unethical - but it has brought so much more attention to Wilders's film that, should he ever release it, millions more now know about it and will likely clamor to see this "forbidden fruit." And let us hope for the sake of freedom of speech, democracy and, indeed, freedom in general, that Wilders does manage to release his film. We know that there are millions of people anxiously standing by waiting to see it, undoubtedly many of the Muslims themselves who would like to know what could be so bad in their Koran that a film about it needs to be censored - and its filmmaker needs to be under constant guard because of all the death threats he has received, falling right in line with what he is exposing in this film.
In reality, Geert Wilders has already proved his point, as he cannot even walk outside freely simply because he dared criticize a book that, as demonstrated above, clearly has as one of its agendas global hegemony and the slaughter of nonbelievers.
If the film really exists - and Wilders insists that it does - Wilders has a number of options here, including, as he has suggested, "passing out DVDs on the Dam," but also bit torrents, as well as simply providing his film to the many other websites and outlets that have expressed their willingness to host it. We can only hope that this film will be widely distributed, as it is obviously vitally important for the freedom of the entire world. We could even imagine the Vatican hosting it on its website - who will stop the Vatican?
Here's the trailer for FITNA - watch it fast while it's still on YouTube! (It's short but a bit gruesome.)
90 comments:
Of course you can find similar quotes in the Bible or the Jewish holy books. It is a fundamental problem of religion any religion.
Well stated...It's about time the Western world woke up to the fact that the muslims are at war with us. They like to whine about the injustices that we do to them, but whatever they do is all well and good with them.
Your interpretation of the Quranic message is completely unfounded. Firstly, the quotes you've selected are cherry picked to reinforce your own bias against Islam. Any self respecting Muslim understands that to misconstrue the Quran's message to be violent and wage wars of aggression is Anti Islamic. Could we say that the current wars in Iraq and Afghanistan as well as the Crusades of antiquity are positive interpretations of biblical teachings? Can the bible be construed as 'Hate Propaganda'? Why do you condemn the religion for the acts of misguided individuals? Read the Quran and you will realize the message is complimentary to the overarching message of the Gospel and the Old Testament. They are three branches of the same great religion. Please add this to your list of quotes:
Surely, those who believe, those who are Jewish, the Christians, teh converts; anyone who believes in God, and believes in the Hereafter, and leads a righteous live, will receive their recompense from their Lord; they have nothing to fear, nor whill they grieve.
[ 2:62, 5:69 ]
Please publish my comment, because to not do so would only indicate you have an agenda to tarnish the perception of the Quran. By not publishing my comment, you affirm the fact you are biased and are working from an agenda and NOT interested in debate and the seeking of the truth.
Tameem Vancouver
What a bunch of scatter,
two things,
1, remember what Christianity was doing 1400 years after its founding.
2, lets talk censorship after somebody makes a film about the anomalies of Judaism
http://www.come-and-hear.com/dilling/chapt01.html
A good source of hate literature.
Archarya is up to her standard misdirection tricks again. The only thing you need to concern yourselves with is JEWS. Christchuns and Musylims are just the dumbed down result of the Jew Death Meme.
Jews did 911 and all world wars.
Jew Depression II and Jew WWIII are on the way. There will be famine and cannibalism. Jews will eat Kosher slaughtered Goy child veal.
If you are voting for any of the Jew sold out candidates for US president this Nov or even the primaries you do not have the sense God gave a Goose.
All churches and mosques are Jew processing plants to dumb down the Goy.
http://www.Jews-Did-911.com
You fucking hypocrite. How about I come kill off some of your family, blow a crater in your neighborhood, collapse you economy and then take a big hegemonic SHIT on your most highly held cultural mores and then lets see how high and fucking mighty your rhetoric is.
Check Sikh history for the atrocities commited by muslims. Sikhs fought tooth and nail against islamic aggression and survuved and defeated these fanatics. Sikh history is littered with evidence of islamic terror. Don't buy into the fallacy muslims stating that it is a peaceful religion. Beneath that exterior they consider all non believers as kaffirs. Also I applaud the muslim who converted to Christianity over the Easter weekend.
the quran aayahs mentioned should be understood in historical context
and remember when they were sent down and for which situation
LOL LOL LOL
Someone should buy a new dictionary to make translations of this book, if no one can read the quran in its original language and every anglophone person reads such badly translated texts, no wonder people think islam is evil!!!
For example:
The only true faith in God's sight is Islam. --Q 3:19, Islam means : surrendering to god..., hence the right translation:
THE ONLY TRUE FAITH IN GOD'S SIGHT IS SURRENDERING TO GOD...
Doesn't that make more sense LOL.
Whoever did these translations must have received a special dictionary for the translations.... But sorry to say these are misinterpreted translations...
By the way I'm french and i believe in god and follow no religion, because I Islam, that meaning I surrender to god... So when one understands the true meaning of this book, one understands a religion is not needed to believe in god...
Considering how the islamic children of God have their women enslaved, obedient and under wraps its no surprise that the men do not want it taken away from them. They are afraid their sandwiches might grow stale, western eyes will see and take their women and their newly neutered selves will be no more threatening than the average New York cab driver during rush hour. They will have to work hard for a change too as no sane woman with freedom of choice would choose that life with them stinky ole fools.
I guess he is not the 'right' kind of person to be exposing Islamic hatred? If a fella like him can arouse such attention in his country or on the net, whose to say whose books he'll next expose for their hatred and desires for domination...wink!
Anonymous said...
Of course you can find similar quotes in the Bible or the Jewish holy books. It is a fundamental problem of religion any religion.
Yes, that's correct, and here are many of those quotes:
Quotes on Christianity
Quotes on Judaism
I've been online since 1995 tackling the Judeo-Christian issues - they have become much tamer even than when I started. When I first started posting this material, I had Christian fanatics spewing at me in much the same way as the Muslims do today. The Christians are far less hostile nowadays.
Which means that, now, the nail that is sticking up the highest and that needs to be hit the hardest is Islam.
Anonymous said...
Your interpretation of the Quranic message is completely unfounded. Firstly, the quotes you've selected are cherry picked to reinforce your own bias against Islam. Any self respecting Muslim understands that to misconstrue the Quran's message to be violent and wage wars of aggression is Anti Islamic. Could we say that the current wars in Iraq and Afghanistan as well as the Crusades of antiquity are positive interpretations of biblical teachings? Can the bible be construed as 'Hate Propaganda'? Why do you condemn the religion for the acts of misguided individuals? Read the Quran and you will realize the message is complimentary to the overarching message of the Gospel and the Old Testament. They are three branches of the same great religion. Please add this to your list of quotes:
Surely, those who believe, those who are Jewish, the Christians, teh converts; anyone who believes in God, and believes in the Hereafter, and leads a righteous live, will receive their recompense from their Lord; they have nothing to fear, nor whill they grieve.
[ 2:62, 5:69 ]
"Completely unfounded?" With such a fallacious and dishonest assessment, it is difficult to read the rest of what you have written. You are obviously in denial. "My" interpretation has nothing to do with the past 1,400 years of atrocity and terrorism wrought in the name of Islam. Instead of picking on me, why don't you clean up your own backyard as concerns the horrible reputation of Islam for creating insane nutjobs who do all THESE THINGS to other human beings:
Stonings, hangings, beating, beheadings, bombings, gang rapes, genital mutilations, destruction of other people's religious artifacts, violent conversions, oppression of women, etc., ad nauseam.
See it all in living gore here:
The Religion of Pieces
Beautiful Islam
"Completely unfounded," my arse.
So who is "cherry picking," when it is YOU who have plucked out some feel-goodies in order to assure the rest of us that the above-mentioned horrors - and the constant DEATH THREATS against people who expose them - are not real?
I neither support the campaigns by Bush & Co., nor am I at all unaware of the atrocities of the Bible, as I have been writing about them for many years. However, your argument constitutes the typical tu quoque logical fallacy of pointing fingers elsewhere. The fact that there have been atrocities in other cultures induced by their "holy texts" does not exculpate Islam and the Koran from the endless atrocities in their name and specifically induced by them.
Instead of battling with me, perhaps you would do better to ask yourself why are you a Muslim? Is it because you chose Islam as a consenting and well-informed adult, or were you born into it and essentially forced to be a follower? Is this belief system natural to your own culture, or was it compelled upon your people hundreds of years ago through violence and reproduction?
No BORGanized religion constitutes "the truth," which means that each is false and unnecessary to the human race. In order for us to live on this planet in the coming decades we will ALL need to drop out of these divisive and false belief systems and just be REAL PEOPLE.
You don't need Islam - and Islam isn't "your" faith. Someone else imposed it upon you. It is simply a manmade system of control.
Toss it off. Be free.
Anonymous said...
Please publish my comment, because to not do so would only indicate you have an agenda to tarnish the perception of the Quran. By not publishing my comment, you affirm the fact you are biased and are working from an agenda and NOT interested in debate and the seeking of the truth.
Tameem Vancouver
Believe it or not, I'm not sitting around waiting for comments from you!
But, thank you for providing yet another example of a Muslim throwing a FITNA to get his way.
Anonymous said...
LOL LOL LOL
Someone should buy a new dictionary to make translations of this book, if no one can read the quran in its original language and every anglophone person reads such badly translated texts, no wonder people think islam is evil!!!
For example:
The only true faith in God's sight is Islam. --Q 3:19, Islam means : surrendering to god..., hence the right translation:
THE ONLY TRUE FAITH IN GOD'S SIGHT IS SURRENDERING TO GOD...
Doesn't that make more sense LOL.
Whoever did these translations must have received a special dictionary for the translations.... But sorry to say these are misinterpreted translations...
By the way I'm french and i believe in god and follow no religion, because I Islam, that meaning I surrender to god... So when one understands the true meaning of this book, one understands a religion is not needed to believe in god...
So, you've read the Koran in 7th century Arabic?
You might want to tell all the Muslims committing atrocities in the name of Islam, using the very scriptures highlighted here, that they've got it all wrong. That might be helpful to the rest of the world. And be sure to teach them in 7th century Arabic, or they'll continue to get it all wrong.
On saturday 22nd of March a demonstration against racism took place on Damsquare in Amsterdam. The demonstration was very much a sign to Geert Wilders and the world that the hatemongering of Wilders is affecting the tradition of tolerance the Dutch nation had for many centuries.
It is not onliy this movie that is triggering a lot of Ducth people, but more the constant bashing of muslims that hurts the hearts of many Dutch citizens. During the demonstration one of the protesters was arrested by the police. Quess why? He had collected some of Wilders' phrases and replaced the words mulsim and islam by Jews and Judaism. He was held by the police and offended for antisemitism. Yeah that is our freedom of speech in the Netherlands.
Anonymous said...
You fucking hypocrite. How about I come kill off some of your family, blow a crater in your neighborhood, collapse you economy and then take a big hegemonic SHIT on your most highly held cultural mores and then lets see how high and fucking mighty your rhetoric is.
More violent speech from a member of the cult of death?
Actually, I was earlier thinking how I would like to export to the entire world the beautiful and soft greenery of the surrounding hills so that everyone could live happily and at peace.
I guess we can see where our minds diverge.
For awhile as of late The Muslims have Praised their "Suicide Bombers" How about we have one of our own?....someone strapped to our largest Hydrogyn Bomb then dropped on Mecca? What is that Black and Gold Cube hiding? The Kaba Stone ! Which is? a meteorite that fell to Earth centuries ago and considered a Gift from GOD {Or Allah} so what do we have here A Space Rock in the Middle East that Whorshippers Bow down to 5 times a day 7 days a week ?.....This is Intelligent Design????? *Have a Nice "No Afterlife"
Jewish Talmud is so full of this and much worse! Consider that won't you?
I do not know the Koran, or if you are using a valid translation. I really don't care. Muslims and Christians (well, real ones anyhow) are NOT of any concern to the general public. Satanic Judaism however, that is enough to make one shiver all over. It is clear that you have a bias against Islam and Christianity.
Anyone can obtain the entire Bible, Koran at the local library. It is there open before all...its that pesky Talmud that is kept hidden and not available for all to probe. Wonder why?
Bush must love you man. I am sure he has kept a devil aside for ya.
Xander said...
On saturday 22nd of March a demonstration against racism took place on Damsquare in Amsterdam. The demonstration was very much a sign to Geert Wilders and the world that the hatemongering of Wilders is affecting the tradition of tolerance the Dutch nation had for many centuries.
It is not onliy this movie that is triggering a lot of Ducth people, but more the constant bashing of muslims that hurts the hearts of many Dutch citizens. During the demonstration one of the protesters was arrested by the police. Quess why? He had collected some of Wilders' phrases and replaced the words mulsim and islam by Jews and Judaism. He was held by the police and offended for antisemitism. Yeah that is our freedom of speech in the Netherlands.
Islam's not a race, so criticizing it is not racism. Standing up against bullies who are using and abusing you based on "holy scriptures" is not "hatemongering" or "bashing."
I agree that the criticism of Judaism and questioning of the details of World War II should be allowed.
Wilders's film and defense of his own culture against otherwise certain extinction are important and necessary.
As concerns "tolerance," as another great Dutch politician has said, "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." -- Ayaan Hirsi Ali
Hi Folks,
I like to take the moniker Watcher.
Idealism, if it remains a personal goal and aspiration, is a beautiful tool for any group of men and women gathered in society.
All religions that choose to attack men and women who select a different personal path are operating on fear. The fear of losing followers, fear of being diminished in a community, fear that the proponents, usually priests and imams and rabbis and gurus will lose their eminence, all these fears have nothing to do with the divine in man.
I discovered this as a Catholic convert and monk. The Catholic Church is a perfect teacher of hypocrisy when an olive branch is extended to other teachings while their underlying philosophy of exclusiveness never deviates and is not refuted.
Obviously different sects and groups of Muslims that believe power is a mechanism of the divine are just as deluded as all the religions on the planet.
Do what you want to do to yourself, not to your neighbors, not even to your loved ones. The presence of spirit is dishonored by force or coercion of any kind.
If you don't have a Quran, please use this one that has three translations for a person to examine, to help them understand what it's saying.
There are no advocations to violence in the New Testament, but the Old Testament certainly does. So does the Talmud and Zohar.
For instance, here's what the Jewish text claims is heading for the Arabs:
http://www.kabbalah.com/k/index.php/p=zohar/search&pattern=SXNobWFlbA==&where=verses&sort=rate
It's even worse for the 70 Idolatrous Nations. That means those nations that don't bow to Judaic rule.
http://www.kabbalah.com/k/index.php/p=zohar/search&pattern=RGVzdHJ1Y3Rpb24gb2YgdGhlIDcwIElkb2xhdHJvdXMgTmF0aW9ucw==&where=verses&sort=rate
May God help us all.
Anonymous said...
Jewish Talmud is so full of this and much worse! Consider that won't you?
I do not know the Koran, or if you are using a valid translation. I really don't care. Muslims and Christians (well, real ones anyhow) are NOT of any concern to the general public. Satanic Judaism however, that is enough to make one shiver all over. It is clear that you have a bias against Islam and Christianity.
Anyone can obtain the entire Bible, Koran at the local library. It is there open before all...its that pesky Talmud that is kept hidden and not available for all to probe. Wonder why?
Bush must love you man. I am sure he has kept a devil aside for ya.
More tu quoque "you too" fingerpointing elsewhere.
As defenders of the Koran like to howl, have you actually read the Talmud? I've read quite a bit of it. In fact, I've got a copy of the Soncino Talmud on CD - I guess it's not that hard to find. Few Jews either read or follow the Talmud. It is not considered a "holy text" by most of them. Almost none of them would riot, maim and murder in its name.
Ditto with the Bible - the Bible is criticized CONSTANTLY. No one is shutting down websites critical of the Bible - and there are THOUSANDS of them. No Christians are rioting and murdering in the streets because of criticism of the Bible.
So what does all this say about the Koran and Muslims?
Obviously, the criticisms are warranted.
My only "bias" is against psychotic ideologies that call themselves "religion" and cause people to act like demented idiots.
Religion is Mental Illness
Wilders is in the Dutch Parliament behaving like a spoiled child, always choosing the role of victimizing himself. He is running away for every invitation for a reasonable debate. The man is emotionally handicapped and living on tranquilizers. He is just a pawn in the Bilderberg powergame.
The whole Fitnahype was started of by leaking confidential information, given by Wilders to Dutch anti-terrorism boss Joustra, from sources within the Dutch government. This whole hype is part of the Dutch governmental Bilderbergplan to destabilize the country.
By the way, Mr. Wilders has strong ties with Israël, wich have been coming in the open lately.
Anyone who can read history can easily find that Christians have caused more deaths than Muslims. I find it very sad that this subject is not treated with the balance it deserves at a time like this.
Also, they hate use because we've been killing their leaders, arming their enemies, sewing discord among them, raining DU on them, vilifying their religion, occupying their countries, and telling them they can't have nuclear power plants, as their energy needs related to population projections clearly show they need to be working on.
Please try to read both sides of any issue and really educate yourself before letting yourself become angry, and manipulated.
Peace.
IMHO, people need to see this movie. I want to see this movie. I've read the Quran, I know what is in it and it nothing but violence, hatred, bigotry, discrimination... Personally, hiding this from the people is a form of control much like that of the Dark Age of Europe.
Few Muslims seem to realize what the Quran actually says because they have their Iman tell them, instead of reading it for themselves AND thinking for themselves.
Hiding what is said in it is only another form of mind control.
Your interpretation of the Quranic message is completely unfounded. Firstly, the quotes you've selected are cherry picked to reinforce your own bias against Islam. Any self respecting Muslim understands that to misconstrue the Quran's message to be violent and wage wars of aggression is Anti Islamic.
Seems to me you are denying the truth of what it says. It is not cherry picking if a whole chapter (The Women) is devoted to suppressing and oppressing them. No, I can read and I do understand what it says, so don't try that one either.
To me it is a denial to say these accusation about that book are unfounded, because it is not unfounded. In fact, the Quran has more violence and like than the Bible. It's shorter, but has more violence.
Any thinking person, who thinks for themselves will know you are denying the truth about the Quran- probably more to yourself than anyone else.
Check Sikh history for the atrocities commited by muslims. Sikhs fought tooth and nail against islamic aggression and survuved and defeated these fanatics. Sikh history is littered with evidence of islamic terror. Don't buy into the fallacy muslims stating that it is a peaceful religion. Beneath that exterior they consider all non believers as kaffirs. Also I applaud the muslim who converted to Christianity over the Easter weekend.
So true. It is not a religion of peace, but one of violence and oppression. I guess if one has to have a religion, Christianity is less violent, but not any less of delusion.
The only true faith in God's sight is Islam. --Q 3:19, Islam means : surrendering to god..., hence the right translation:
THE ONLY TRUE FAITH IN GOD'S SIGHT IS SURRENDERING TO GOD...
Only according to humans. There is no god, esp one that wants us to surrender, submit and become slaves- to other humans. Islam is just another human creation with yet another human created deity.
Doesn't that make more sense LOL.
Whoever did these translations must have received a special dictionary for the translations.... But sorry to say these are misinterpreted translations...
My guess is that this is yet another denial to convince the gullible to convert and once they do, you continue to tell them they can't read and tell them what you want them to believe and when you got them... It's all a brainwash and denial of the truth.
Again, it is all a human creation and god is a human concept.
It is not onliy this movie that is triggering a lot of Ducth people, but more the constant bashing of muslims that hurts the hearts of many Dutch citizens.
It's not bashing when it is the truth, but to not allow this movie is to appease and deny.
Anyone who can read history can easily find that Christians have caused more deaths than Muslims. I find it very sad that this subject is not treated with the balance it deserves at a time like this.
This is not true. It is about equal.
Please try to read both sides of any issue and really educate yourself before letting yourself become angry, and manipulated.
If they are smart, they will see the truth that Islam is more violent and more mentally sick.
Many of the quotes you used in your diatribe are either taken out of context, misquoted, or you have given the wrong numbers for the verses. Please check your sources.
I am not a Muslim, nor a Christian but have read the Quran and the Bible. There are quotes such as the ones you used in the Bible as well. In fact, Paul, the great Christian, used similar rhetoric.
I do admit that there are several Muslim sects (such as the Wahabi sect...which includes most of Al Quaeda and the Saudi royal family) which are radical, destructive and have their own rather oblique way of understanding the Quran.
However, the Wahabis and other fundamentalist sects represent a tiny portion of Muslims, and are not reflective of the faith in any way. Additionally, the Wahabi's are not much different from the wild-eyed fundamentalist Christians,or any other group that expouses divisiveness.
If we are indeed enlightened, then it is our responsibility to encourage and foster inclusivity, not exclusivity.
There are many paths to God (Goddess, Divine Path, Oneness)and humility (which is a deep tenet in Islam, Christianity and many other religions) is one of them.
Perhaps if we looked at what is good and beneficial in all the world's religions, we might have a better world. Divisiveness begets divisiveness.
Let it be very clear that this hype has got nothing to do with religion whatsoever. It is all about antagonizing people, polarizing people, dividing people and ruling people. It is all about creating chaos and disorder to distract peoples mind from far more important hasppenings on a spiritual level.
Keep the minds of people focussed on chaotic events in the outer world and they will forget who they really are, they will loose the contact with their innermost Self, they will lose contact with their own highly creative power.
We are living in an illusion of a masterplanned deceptive outer world. Nothing is what it seems, and nothing seems what it is. Just remeber your Self and you will find the truth within your Self.
when zionism owns christianity.....
Sami Al-Arian is a political prisoner in Police State America. This article reviews his case briefly and updates it to the present.
Because of his faith, ethnicity and political activism, the Bush administration targeted Al-Arian for supporting "terrorism." In fact, he's a Palestinian refugee, distinguished professor and scholar, community leader and civil activist.
Nonetheless, the FBI harassed him for 11 years, arrested him on February 20, 2003, and falsely accused him of backing organizations fronting for Palestinian Islamic Jihad - a 1997 State Department-designated "Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO)."
A week later, in spite of his many awards, impeccable credentials and tenured status, University of South Florida president Judy Genshaft fired him under right wing pressure.
Since February 20, 2003, Al-Arian has been imprisoned - first at Tampa, Florida's Orient Road jail, then on to more than a dozen different maximum and other federal prison facilities. He's currently on hunger strike at Warsaw, Virginia's Northern Neck Regional jail after being transferred back March 18 from Butner, North Carolina's medical prison.
Al-Arian's trial began in June 2005 and was a travesty. It lasted six months, cost an estimated $50 million, and the prosecution called 80 witnesses, including Israeli intelligence agents and victims of suicide bombings to prejudice the jury. It introduced portions of hundreds of wiretapped phone calls from over a half million recorded; "evidence" from faxes, emails and what was seized from his home; quotes from his speeches and lectures; conferences, events and rallies he attended; articles he wrote; books he owned; magazines he edited; and various publications he read - all legal and in no way incriminating unless falsely twisted to appear that way.
After years of effort and millions spent, Al-Arian was exonerated. On December 6, 2005 after 13 days of deliberation, the jury acquitted him of all (eight) "terrorism" charges. They were deadlocked 10 - 2 for acquittal on nine others. All of them were false and unjust.
Nonetheless, within days, the Justice Department said it would re-try him on the lesser charges. His lawyers called it legal but a highly unusual move. At the same time and in secret, a plea bargain deal was struck. It stipulated:
-- Al-Arian neither engaged in or had any knowledge of violent acts;
-- that he would not be required to cooperate further with prosecutors; and
-- that he would be released on time served and deported voluntarily to his country of choice.
In the meantime, Al-Arian remained in custody pending sentencing and deportation on May 1, 2006. He expected to be free and his ordeal ended. Instead, the presiding judge changed the deal. He sentenced Al-Arian to the maximum 57 months, gave him credit for time served, and ordered him held for the remaining 11 months, after which an April 2007 deportation would follow. Now it's extended as explained below.
In October 2006, assistant prosecutor Gordon Kromberg violated plea bargain terms by subpoenaing Al-Arian before a grand jury. His defense attorneys tried to block it by citing his "no-grand jury cooperation" provision to prevent DOJ from springing a perjury-obstruction trap. Defense's motion was denied, and on November 16 Al-Arian refused to testify and was held in contempt.
A month later, the grand jury expired, a new one was convened, and Al-Arian was again subpoenaed to testify. He continued to refuse, was held in contempt, and had his sentence increased without mitigation to April 7, 2008.
On March 3, 2008 Kromberg ordered Al-Arian before still another March 19 grand jury, three weeks before his scheduled release and deportation. On the same day, Al-Arian began a hunger strike against the government's continued harassment. It's his third one but is life-threatening for a man in his condition. He's diabetic and needs regular sustenance to avoid serious health problems. His January through March, 2007 strike depleted one-fourth of his body weight, gravely harmed him, and ended only at the urging of his family.
He's now 20 days into his latest fast, lost 30 pounds, is weakening, and his life is endangered. On March 12, Al-Arian was transferred to the Butner, North Carolina medical facility where treatment is poor, the staff indifferent, and in Al-Arian's case hostile to a designated enemy of the state. On March 18, he was returned to Warsaw, Virginia's Northern Neck Regional jail ahead of his third grand jury appearance. Again, he refused to testify, so he'll likely face new contempt charges and continued confinement.
George Washington University Law School Professor Jonathan Turley heads up Al-Arian's legal team. On March 3, he released the following statement:
"On behalf of Mr. Olson and Mr. Meitl and the entire legal team, (we are greatly disappointed by) the Justice Department('s) continu(ing)....effort to mete out punishment that it could not secure from a jury. Having lost (its) case (it's) openly sought to extend (Al-Arian's) confinement by daisy-chaining grand juries. As in other cases, the government has given Dr. Al-Arian the choice of an obvious perjury trap or a contempt sanction. (Either way assures his imprisonment. This) choice....is obnoxious to our legal system and contrary to any standard of decency. The mistreatment of Dr. Al-Arian remains an international symbol of how the Bush Administration has discarded fundamental principles of fairness in a blind pursuit of retribution against this political activist. We stand committed to fighting this great injustice and hopefully reuniting Dr. Al-Arian with his family and friends."
In the meantime, his long ordeal continues at a time lawlessness prevails over justice, and we're all Sami-Al-Arians in America's "war on terrorism."
Slaves to zionism and too stupid to realize it.
Here's my third attempt to publish this.
First, your Quranic quotes are certainly taken out of context. Certain of the verses are numbered wrong as well (according to my Quran). You do need to check your sources.
I am not a Muslim, Christian or Jew, but I have read all of their holy texts, as well as the holy texts and traditions of many relist say gions. I must agree with many that all of them have an astonishingly large number of references to violence and destruction. Even Paul, the great Christian, exhibited extraordinary intolerance on more than one occasion.
Yes, it is true that there are some very destructive and rabid sects in Islam. The Wahabi sect (to which most Al Quaeda members belong, as does the Saudi royal family) is foremost among these.
But this is a tiny element within Islam, and does not reflect the Muslim community as a whole. I see sects like the Wahabis no different from wild-eyed Christian and Jewish fundamentalists and all the other carriers of the disease of divisiveness.
I believe that there are many paths to God (Goddess, Oneness, Divine Way). Isn't it our responsibility as enlightened persons, to choose what is good and hopeful from all these paths? Is this done through divisiveness, and exclusivity, or through thoughtfulness, inclusivity and, through our wisdom, discovering a common holy language?
Omniam said...
Here's my third attempt to publish this.
First, your Quranic quotes are certainly taken out of context. Certain of the verses are numbered wrong as well (according to my Quran). You do need to check your sources.
I am not a Muslim, Christian or Jew, but I have read all of their holy texts, as well as the holy texts and traditions of many relist say gions. I must agree with many that all of them have an astonishingly large number of references to violence and destruction. Even Paul, the great Christian, exhibited extraordinary intolerance on more than one occasion.
Yes, it is true that there are some very destructive and rabid sects in Islam. The Wahabi sect (to which most Al Quaeda members belong, as does the Saudi royal family) is foremost among these.
But this is a tiny element within Islam, and does not reflect the Muslim community as a whole. I see sects like the Wahabis no different from wild-eyed Christian and Jewish fundamentalists and all the other carriers of the disease of divisiveness.
I believe that there are many paths to God (Goddess, Oneness, Divine Way). Isn't it our responsibility as enlightened persons, to choose what is good and hopeful from all these paths? Is this done through divisiveness, and exclusivity, or through thoughtfulness, inclusivity and, through our wisdom, discovering a common holy language?
Third attempt to post - a little pushy, aren't we?
So you can't find the quotations, which I cited quite correctly, as anyone who has studied the subject will know, yet I'm the one who needs to check my sources?
Naturally, we've all heard the "out of context" comment when justifying this atrocious language. Here are the in context facts: These "scriptures" and others have been used by Muslim fanatics to slaughter and pillage their way around many countries.
We have also heard all the "tiny minority" business - the reality is that a majority of Muslims in certain polls have said they would favor sharia law being imposed on the non-Muslim nations they live in, such as Great Britain.
If you are aware that there are atrocities in every major religion, why stump for them? Help get rid of these DIVISIVE MURDEROUS IDEOLOGIES instead of apologizing for them.
Experiencing the "Oneness" reveals that these religions are false, so why not just toss them away now, before they cause ARMAGEDDON?
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What this comes down to is a FREE SPEECH issue. Islam / Muslims hate free speech. Before this conspiracy working to ban the 10-15 minutes movie, I didn't give it all that much thought. Now, I will go to great lengths to view it since it's been banned. So thanks for all of that! Geert Wilders has a right and a responsibility to share his views on this barbaric religion.
mscir "Anyone who can read history can easily find that Christians have caused more deaths than Muslims."
False - Christianity is around 250 million murders since its inception and Islam is at around 270 murders. Look it up Sherlock.
"Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth."
-- Omar M. Ahmad, founder of Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR)
Dhimwit: "A non-Muslim member of a free society that abets the stated cause of Islamic domination with remarkable gullibility. A dhimwit is always quick to extend sympathy to the very enemy that would take away his or her own freedom (or life) if given the opportunity."
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Dhimwits.htm
If Muslims think they're going to come to America and take it over, they best pack their lunch it's not going to be easy. Americans have had enough of this stupid shit of giving Muslims special treatment and privileges.
xander "Let it be very clear that this hype has got nothing to do with religion whatsoever."
- It has everything to do with ideology/religion. They use their holy text/God as a front to hide behind so that they may perform heinous crimes against humanity and get away with. Expect to be called-out on this relentlessly. No more letting Muslims get away with murder. Prepare to be assimilated.
"Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil"
~ Thomas Mann
Omniam said...
I believe that there are many paths to God
LOL! How many times have I heard that?! Yeah..the oneness has billions of paths...or just one. How many heads do you have?!
Anonymous said...
For awhile as of late The Muslims have Praised their "Suicide Bombers" How about we have one of our own?....someone strapped to our largest Hydrogyn Bomb then dropped on Mecca? What is that Black and Gold Cube hiding? The Kaba Stone ! Which is? a meteorite that fell to Earth centuries ago and considered a Gift from GOD {Or Allah} so what do we have here A Space Rock in the Middle East that Whorshippers Bow down to 5 times a day 7 days a week ?.....This is Intelligent Design????? *Have a Nice "No Afterlife"
That was one of "God's" family jewels don't ya know?! It could be the magically engraved 'staff' of Allah from which the primitve tribes spurted from...LOL!
Anonymous said...
when zionism owns christianity.....Slaves to zionism and too stupid to realize it.
Thought for you...it owns Islam too. In fact, what 'Zionist's' plan is soooo similar to Islam it is scareeee! See Chabad Lubavitch. Down with religon! Down with Tribalism!
Xander said...demonstration against RACISM was very much a sign to Geert Wilders and the world that the HATEMONGERING of Wilders is affecting the tradition of TOLERANCE the Dutch nation had for many centuries. One of the protesters was arrested by the police. was held by the police and offended for ANTISEMITISM. Yeah that is our freedom of speech in the Netherlands.
Key words capitalised. I don't know how it is in your country, but in mine (to anyone who pays attention) the Tolerance crowd is led by the same people as the Intolerance crowd. Notice how you are an 'antisemite' if you oppose them...a racist and hatemonger!
I guess we are squeezed if you are not a 'semite' or a 'semite' god-worshipper. Catch my drift? It's not race, but tribal-preistcrafts putting you in the pincer. You don't have to tolerate any religon or culture that makes DEMANDS on you.
acharya s said:
I've been online since 1995 tackling the Judeo-Christian issues - they have become much tamer even than when I started. When I first started posting this material, I had Christian fanatics spewing at me in much the same way as the Muslims do today. The Christians are far less hostile nowadays.
Which means that, now, the nail that is sticking up the highest and that needs to be hit the hardest is Islam.
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Acharya,
why don't you admit that nail that is sticking the highest, so high that many do not see it, is - Judaism with its supremacist view on jew vs. goy(non-jew) relationship?!
The movie is on youtube -
http://www.youtube.com/user/MovieFitna
All the parts are there.....
I'm curious why there were 12 parts to a 10 to 15-minute movie?
In any event, when you can get the link to actually click through on any of them, we now find:
"This video has been removed due to terms of use violation."
Here we go again. But, hey, the videos by Khadaffy-duck and others declaring that Europe and the U.S. will be forced to become Muslim are still up there, no doubt.
At this point, only Part 8 of whatever this movie is remains online:
FITNA, Part 8?
Who knows how long it will take for YouTube to take this one down.
As a Westerner with many Muslim friends I can say that this site is a fraud and clearly is designed to promote one thing: Hate.
It is designed to promote hate on both sides of the debate, not reconciliation.
Watch this if you would like to see the REAL Islam that is followed by the majority of the 1.2 BILLION Muslims on earth
http://youtube.com/watch?v=uPxJ5NdELyo
"It's all symantics, If we sit down and talk - we will understand each other"
Disappointed as I am in the SUPPRESSION OF FREE-SPEECH in this case of FITNA, I am not the least bit surprised. Going toward what I said in a previous post about the 'semite' pincer, I found this on my way to learn more about Geert Wilders and his battle with the 'TOLERANCE' crowd:
Anti-Islam Film "Same As Anti-Semitism"
Author: Y-Love (USA) - March 24, 2008
A Jewish producer in the Netherlands, Harry De Winter, blasted
far-right anti-Islam MP Geert Wilders this weekend for his anti-Islam
movie, Fitna, already banned from media outlets worldwide. Wilders is
intent on broadcasting his Islamophobic film, after having its website
pulled offline by its internet service provider, Network Solutions,
and causing worldwide protest over its anti-Quran and anti-Islam
contentions.
De Winter took out a front-page advertisement in the Dutch newspaper
de Volkskrant to protest Wilders' inflammatory actions, saying that:
"If Wilders had said the same thing about Jews (and the Old
Testament) as he does about Muslims (and the Koran), he would have
been ostracized a long time ago and accused of anti-Semitism."
De Winter says Wilders' anti-Islam hate speech are reminiscent of "how
the persecution of Jews once started", and said that for him, "there
is no difference between the yarmulke and the headscarf."
Israel is behind most modern terrorism.
The Iraq war was launched on the Jewish holiday of Purim, a time of their choosing according to CNN.
Most Neocons are dual citizen Israeli/Americans....
Anonymous said...
As a Westerner with many Muslim friends I can say that this site is a fraud and clearly is designed to promote one thing: Hate.
It is designed to promote hate on both sides of the debate, not reconciliation.
Watch this if you would like to see the REAL Islam that is followed by the majority of the 1.2 BILLION Muslims on earth
http://youtube.com/watch?v=uPxJ5NdELyo
"It's all symantics, If we sit down and talk - we will understand each other"
Oh, I see! So, how can we "sit down and talk" when you've immediately called my site "a fraud" designed for "Hate?" It seems apologists for Islam have only one thing they can repeat endlessly like a robot: Shrill and idiotic cries of "Hate!"
Of course, you could be speaking of the Koran, which certainly seems designed for "Hate!"
It matters not what you will bring up to justify the religion of 1.2 billion people - are we not supposed to be concerned about such a number? - as the basis for it will remain a mind-control doctrine designed to enslave people.
Time to wake up and toss aside these pathologies - and mindlessly shrieking "Hate!" ain't gonna do it.
What is going to do it is for everyone on the planet to remember their true selves, without the stifling and enslaving pathology of BORGanized religion. If that's "Hate!", I gotta LOVE it.
Toss this enslaving culturally bigoted load of crap off already and join the human race!
Islam or "the nation of" has proven itself over and over again to be violent and hate provoking. Those that follow Islam are the same as those that are foretold of the ones that follow a false prophet. Mohammed was a thief and a murder and took from innocents to pack his coffures. The next great war will be the free world against Islam. Freedom will win and those that do nothing but kill innocents to be martyrd are lost. Farrakahan, malcom X, almedinajihad are all results of this "peaceful religon. I can only hope God, the one true God will strike those that believe in the crap that is the Koran.
Please people, look at yourselves and what is happening to you on the emotional level through this provoking and engineered anti-muslim hype. When I look at what is written here and especially how there is been writing about this matter, I clearly see happening what Xander mentioned in a previous post.
Namely: Let it be very clear that this hype has got nothing to do with religion whatsoever. It is all about antagonizing people, polarizing people, dividing people and ruling people. It is all about creating chaos and disorder to distract peoples mind from far more important happenings on a spiritual level.
When you look at this all from an overview and you see how this stupid media circus around this movie, that no one is ever going to see, stirs up so much provoked emotion you can be sure there's something more behind it.
Zbginiev Brzezinski already mentioned in one of his books in 1991 that the coming great war in the 21st century would be between the Christian west and the Muslim east. This means that he was speaking about a plan to generate that war by all means. The world events since then have made his words into a self-fulfilling prophecy. Can't you see this?
Open up your eyes and don't let yourselves be fooled around anymore by the puppet masters in the London City, Vatican City and Washington DC. They work very hard at deceiving us, betraying us, telling us one lie after the other.
Develop your own sense of morality by listening to your heart. Only your heart can tell right from wrong. Don’t let yourselves be taken along in a totally superficial subject as a movie from Holland. Isn't it to crazy to believe that a big part of the world is quarrelling about a movie of a Dutch politician who hasn't in his whole parliamentary career come forward with one single constructive idea about facing the problems in our Dutch society? He just knows too well how to attract attention by playing with the unconscious sentiments of people who can't think for themselves properly.
Forget Wilders, the man isn't worth all this attention. He is a very self aggrandising person. He is horny for media-attention. The more he gets from that the more his very small ego is growing. Leave Wilders to the Netherlands. We can deal with him in a very positive way.
And above all what do your own reactions tell you about yourselves? That's the big learning
theme we are all facing here.
Shame on you..but you are entitled to your views just like I am entitled to mine. You should really read your own holy book and realize just how pathetic religion is. Lets take christianity. You expect that a young girl whose hormones got the better of her, got pregnant , so made up some story about a horny god and thus we have the virgin birth. That child then becomes the son of god and,...sorry can't write any more, as i can't concentrate because I am laughing my head off...
False - Christianity is around 250 million murders since its inception and Islam is at around 270 murders. Look it up Sherlock.
I seriously doubt 270. Maybe 270 million. You have to take into account the archiac and inhumane stonings and alike that Islamic countries still do also.
Islam or "the nation of" has proven itself over and over again to be violent and hate provoking.
Yes, it most definitely has.
why not blame male cheuvanism and testorone for all the problems many of the problems against women in the world?
If you're going to blame one thing, and only one thing as a cause of something (which in itself seems kind of strange), then why not get something a little bit more accurate and all-encompasing?
'Every Jew who spills the blood of the goy is making a sacrifice to God' -- Talmud The Satanic Verses
but it's supposed to be a "peaceful" religion! or is it "piece-full".
Anonymous said...
Many of the quotes you used in your diatribe are either taken out of context, misquoted, or you have given the wrong numbers for the verses. Please check your sources.
They weren't wrong - only one was off by a couple of sentence numbers. Because of Dawood's numbering system, I had to extrapolate in a couple of places. I have adjusted these and LINKED to the Dawood translation, which also has a parallel ARABIC text - for all the world to see.
Because of your comments, however, I was able to add to the one about women, this time including the part about BEATING them.
Thanks!
Acharya, tienes toda mi simpatía y mi respeto. Es preciso que ese documental pueda ser accesible a todos los que deseemos verlo le guste o no a determinadas personas o facciones. Los musulmanes tienen que asumir que los que no creemos en sus dogmas vamos a actuar, a pensar y a hablar de elos y de sus intagibles como nos venga en gana. Si eso es blasfemia pues será balsfemia desde su estrecho y limitado punto de vista.
Anonymous said...
Acharya, tienes toda mi simpatía y mi respeto. Es preciso que ese documental pueda ser accesible a todos los que deseemos verlo le guste o no a determinadas personas o facciones. Los musulmanes tienen que asumir que los que no creemos en sus dogmas vamos a actuar, a pensar y a hablar de elos y de sus intagibles como nos venga en gana. Si eso es blasfemia pues será balsfemia desde su estrecho y limitado punto de vista.
Gracias por la voz de la razón.
Let it be very clear that this hype has got nothing to do with religion whatsoever. It is all about antagonizing people, polarizing people, dividing people and ruling people. It is all about creating chaos and disorder to distract peoples mind from far more important hasppenings on a spiritual level.
Actually, it's about how bad a religion can be. You can not attain spiritual knowledge with violent and hateful reading. All it does it perpetuate violence.
We are living in an illusion of a masterplanned deceptive outer world. Nothing is what it seems, and nothing seems what it is. Just remeber your Self and you will find the truth within your Self.
If you want gnosticism, try picking up a copy of the Gospel of Thomas.
Acharya, tienes toda mi simpatía y mi respeto. Es preciso que ese documental pueda ser accesible a todos los que deseemos verlo le guste o no a determinadas personas o facciones. Los musulmanes tienen que asumir que los que no creemos en sus dogmas vamos a actuar, a pensar y a hablar de elos y de sus intagibles como nos venga en gana. Si eso es blasfemia pues será balsfemia desde su estrecho y limitado punto de vista.
Mi español es muy malo, pero qué comprendo es bueno. ¿Tradusca por favour? Esp. if it is the voice of reason. That way everyone can understand and maybe gain from it.
Es que bueno si no desea traduscar.
Sanjari said...
...Zbginiev Brzezinski already mentioned in one of his books in 1991 that the coming great war in the 21st century would be between the Christian west and the Muslim east. This means that he was speaking about a plan to generate that war by all means. The world events since then have made his words into a self-fulfilling prophecy. Can't you see this?
Yes, yes, we've heard it many times - and that's precisely why I keep bringing up these issues. The BORGanized religions are the tools of the ruling elite - they were created by such people - for the express purpose of pitting people against each other. And that is exactly why I continue to tell people to DROP OUT OF THE ORGANIZED RELIGIONS. They are false, period.
Unfortunately, that message will not be heard by the fanatics among us - the only thing we can do is to reduce their numbers by not being among them. If they are small in number, they can't really destroy human civilization by using the sheeple as foot soldiers to slaughter each other.
This movie is not "shallow" in that it exposes the war plan of one wing of this fanaticism created by the same overlords in order to enslave human kind.
As concerns Wilders, well, his passionate relationship with Israel certainly makes for an interesting situation about which one could speculate endlessly...
Anonymous said...
Acharya, tienes toda mi simpatía y mi respeto. Es preciso que ese documental pueda ser accesible a todos los que deseemos verlo le guste o no a determinadas personas o facciones. Los musulmanes tienen que asumir que los que no creemos en sus dogmas vamos a actuar, a pensar y a hablar de elos y de sus intagibles como nos venga en gana. Si eso es blasfemia pues será balsfemia desde su estrecho y limitado punto de vista.
Because you asked, Mriana -
"Acharya, you have all my sympathy and my respect. It is necessary that this documentary be accessible to all who wish to see it, whether or not certain individuals or factions like it. The Muslims must assume that those who do not believe in its tenets are going to act, think and speak about them and their intangibles as we desire. If this is blasphemy, then it will be blasphemy according to their narrow and limited viewpoint."
I'm not sure exactly what "intangibles" means, unless it refers to God, etc. And, I wasn't clear on the expression "como nos venga en gana."
Because you asked, Mriana -
thank you. Gracias. :) Better than pecking it out and filling in the missing pieces.
Yes, they are quite right. Everyone should be able to see the movie. Such sensoring is wrong and I get tired of it. Assemblies of God AKA A of G, does this often and prevents movies from showing here, while the rest of the nation gets to see it. Thank goodness for the local university, who eventually gets a hold of banned movie and shows, irregardless of the A of G's reaction.
The reason for the defiance of such banning of movies, even though the banning was religious irrational, is because in a free and open society people have access to knowledge and information. As freethinking people we decide what information we wish to access and come to our own conclusions when we have all the information.
A society that does not allow this, has not only people who are not allowed to think for themselves and don't think for themselves, but are also illiterate and under educated.
The muslims are among the worlds's greatest liars. They pervert anything to make themselves look like the victims.
Acharya,
You are a towering genius in your area of expertise, and I have benefitted greatly from your work and those you have influenced.
Your anti muslim rants however are strangely incongruent and truthfully quite ugly for an intellectu