Imagine my surprise when I heard that Bill Maher, plugging his new movie "Religulous," was on the highly popular show "The View" discussing the Egyptian god Horus!In the segment provided below of the brave Maher's appearance among "The View's" she-wolves, he says that the story of the virgin-born savior who rose from the dead was popular around the Mediterranean for a "thousands years" before Christianity. Bill then relates that Horus raised "Lazarus" from the dead. Maher next attempts to raise "the Indian god Krishna," but he's cut off.
Now, Maher could only have gotten that information about Horus from a few places, one of which is my work. The only sources prior to my book The Christ Conspiracy that discuss the Horus-Lazarus connection to any extent are Alvin Boyd Kuhn and Gerald Massey. There are a few places since the publication of Christ Con, including Tom Harpur's The Pagan Christ, which has gotten some notoriety. It would be nice to know, of course, if Maher has been exposed to my work, whether directly or through the hit movie "ZEITGEIST." Since the bit about Lazarus is not in ZG, it's possible someone along the way during his movie project steered Maher towards my work.
In any event, in my work I address the correspondences between the biblical character Lazarus, whom Jesus raises from the dead, and the Egyptian story of Horus raising El-Azarus or Osiris from the dead, which was a central theme in the Egyptian religion. While I discuss the raising of Lazarus as an Egyptian motif in The Christ Conspiracy and Suns of God, I go into greater detail concerning this pericope in my book Who Was Jesus? Fingerprints of The Christ. In that book, I provide an entire section called "The Raising of Lazarus," including a discussion of the name as related to "El-Azarus" or "El-Osiris." Indeed, we discover that in the general area where Christ supposedly lived emerged an ancient stela with an inscription called "the Carpentras" in which appears the epithet "Osiris-Eloh," a combination of the Egyptian god with the biblical "El," as in Elohim. More on the subject of this Lazarus-Osiris story will be found in my forthcoming book Christ in Egypt, where I examine the primary sources to show that the biblical Lazarus tale appears to have been lifted almost whole cloth from the Egyptian funerary literature.
It would be fantastic, of course, if the great Bill Maher were to have me on his HBO show to discuss all these issues. (Hint, hint! I would be more than happy to discuss these issues in the major media, as I have already so many times elsewhere since 1995. Please see "Acharya S in the Media." Be sure also to see my online videos.)
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Oh so he was on 'The View'. Is there more on this segment? I missed it unfortunately, but obviously the women were giving him a real work over and it's a shame they didn't let him answer the question "Have you talked to God?" etc etc. They just talked right over him.
Sherri did say something that seems to be true- "you have to suspend logic to believe in God". To that, I have to ask, "What good is a God in which you have to suspend logic? By your view, didn't God give us a brain to use and if so, why must we suspend logic?" To me, a deity that doesn't need logic to be suspended would be more valuable than one who does. It seems to me, that any god concept that allows you to ponder and think for yourself as to what it might be, if it does exist, is more meaningful, useful, and valuable than one who doesn't. Otherwise, what is the point of having a brain if you can't use it, even including and esp in consideration of a possible deity? So what if one deicdes there is no god? At least they came to that conclusion themselves using their own brain, which, according to the religious, is why God gave us a brain.
So what does it serve to suspend logic when considering any human concept of a god? To me, it serves no purpose at all not to use our own logic, because it would mean that there is no purpose in what nature has given us. Not only that, one's own god concept should be theirs and theirs alone, whether they believe in a deity or not, for that which is your own thoughts and ideas is more meaningful, than one that is forced upon you from birth and not allowed to be question. One's own thoughts, ideas, and concepts cannot be taken away from them unless they let them be taken. They can be shared with others, even pondered and discussed, but should never be imposed upon others.
How cool would it be to have Acharya S do the circuit of major media? I'd love to see her on the HBO show, "Real Time" with Bill Maher. Or The Daily Show with Jon Stewart and The Colbert Report. Some morning shows etc.
It would be awesome to see a documentary on the work of Acharya via the Discovery, History, National Geographic channels etc.
I think it's just a matter of time. After all the Zeitgeist movie has probably had 20 million views worldwide by now. So the interest is there.
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I, ever since becoming a Freemason, have come to believe that the story of Jesus "raising" Lazarus from the dead was an "initiation ceremony". At least the simiarities are there. I mean why take your time and wait 3 days to get to your dead friend. Barbara Thiering has also made these connections in The Pesher of Christ. So I believe there are more source materials out there to give Bill the information he is disclosing than what you have givin us here. I mean all you gotta do is read Morals and Dogma by Albert Pike 1871 and you can find loads of "hidden" info. Read between the lines. He exposes all of this over 130 years ago!
Blessed Be, Jim
However you wish to interpret it, upon examination it becomes obvious that the story of Jesus raising Lazarus is based on the MYTHICAL motif of Horus resurrecting Osiris, a theme that was ubiquitous throughout the massive Egyptian mortuary and funerary literature.
When I cite the sources in my blog, I am specifically talking about those who have made the connection between Horus-Osiris and Jesus-Lazarus, not the many thousands of books that have discussed the biblical Lazarus story in itself.
Bill Maher is great I can't wait to see his movie. He should have known that talking religion with scary "The Earth is flat" Sherri Shepherd would be a waste of breath and time.
Funny how they all have some twisted explanation about "God" and the creation. Unfortunately so do most people living in the United States. Free thinking people need not apply when it comes to watching programs like the "View."
http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&q=Sherri+Shepherd&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=X&oi=video_result_group&resnum=4&ct=title#
The Pharisees would place Judeans who 'broke the rules',of which there were many, under 'house arrest' for three days. This was called 'being dead' to the leaders. When the three days were up, presumably you were contrite and willing to follow the rules; they would come to your home and remove from the front door the notice that you were 'dead'. They called this 'being raised from the dead.'
This is why Esu(Jesus) didn't rush to his friend,it was a religious punishment, not death.
That's the problem. Suspending all logic is hard to do. Louis Theroux on the BBC did shows called "Weird Weekends" and he visits this couple Marcus and Joni Lamb who have an evangelical church and are born again Christians and they show their congregation (which they encourage) speaking in tongues (yeah right!), Marcus making them fall backwards overpowered by his 'power of God' when he heals them of whatever ails them...etc..and Louis is just laughing when his cameraman films this. And he says to Marcus "couldn't this just be the power of suggestion? If someone wants to believe they hear something, a voice, or no longer feel pain, or are cured of being gay or of some weakness, the brain is so powerful and efficient, that is what has heeled them or what they're hearing rather than 'God'" and Marcus is willing to say that to him, it's definitely the Lord Savior J.C. But Joni Lamb mimics Louis' british accent and just wants him gone since she cannot explain faith and whether it's a crock of sh*t. These two live VERY well off their congregation while the congregation all seem to have middle class lives. I mean it's a crock. And Sherri obviously isn't the sharpest tool in the shed. She didn't even know the Greeks and Romans came before Christ. She's an idiot.
Acarya, It would be a mistake to think that you are the only one who has come up with this idea. At one point I was a Kemetic individual. In other words I was a neo-pagan trying to revive the old religion of Egypt. Many of the Kemetic individuals believe that Horus is the actual Jesus, and I also ran across a book by an Egyptian researcher who posited the same idea. The idea of Krishna/Christ connection is brought up in "Proof of Worldwide Vedic Culture."
The entire bible was based on egyptian mythology.
Yes, no offense whatever to Acharya S, but the many parallels between Egyptian stories and Biblical ones have been clear to many for a very long time. The scholarship is not original with Acharya's book by any means, and one can't assume Bill Maher encountered it there.
But I am happy to hear that connection brought up on morning tv. It will be a long time before the concept that all the stories found in the Bible have roots far deeper than Palestine will be common currency, but it's nice to see the process underway!
I hope Bill Maher understands that shaking the cage of a big, strong, dumb animal just isn't a good idea. These religious types have a history of torture and worse for those who make them angry.
Blasphemy is still blasphemy. Do you think God created you as an equal? Do you think you could comprehend God? Does your puny human brain and its "logical" thought processes process at the same level of God. I think not. Logic and believing in God are paradoxical, believing in God takes a leap of faith, that is you accept it under no pretense of human logic. Thats the beauty of it, thats the secret of it. Once you free yourselves from the bounds of logic in acceptance of God and his true revelation then you will be free.
This is what the Brotherhood does these days. They LOVE it when people like you do the real research. They have control of the mainstream media, so they let their members profit off of YOUR research. You have difficulties with breaking your work into the mainstream. There is an invisible barrier between you and the mainstream. You're always trying to push through that barrier. But the controllers of the mainstream always keep an eye on what you're doing outside, and they plot ways to gradually release your information so that their members profit. You will not get the credit for YOUR discoveries. And you won't be cited in mainstream movies that quote your discoveries until all of your discoveries have been milked by the mainstream.
just because the "bible" has some passages that are clearly written by people with self interests in mind doesnt prove there isnt a God. You dont have to agree with everything in there to believe in a God. Jesus's message is the important part of christianity... and no you dont need to follow all the special rules of the churches to believe and live his message
who cares if the old testament borrows some stories from the sumerians/egyptians. or someone slipped in some goodies like I give you this land does that nullify there being a creator - God? Or nullify the truth in jesus's message about treatment of others etc ?
suspend logic ? no. apply some logic? yes.
Acharya..just stopping buy to say..your book changed everything I knew in 2004..thanks
are you by chance a taurus ..or something in Aq..?
thanks for book...i bought 3 and gave em all away in Argentina
You can tell when people are completely challenged by what someone has just said, especially when what they have just said contradicts totally everything they have been taught (had crammed down their throat) since they were born. The lady to his left went straight into "motor mouth" so that he could not reply to her stupid question!
He dared to challenge their status quo - the answer to that problem - get rid of him. Now where has that system been used before? hmmmm. Let me think now. The word Gnostic keeps coming to me.
Cheers,
Doug.
I'd love to see Acharya S on Real Time with Bill Maher!
So today I went to Bill Maher's Myspace and sent him a message to invite Acharya S on his show.
http://myspace.com/therealbillmaher
Click on "Send Message".
Here's Bill's entire View appearance
Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkfPZnyMaEY
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCrPWWqNl1I
I enjoyed seeing someone who screams at those with opposing viewpoints from himself plopped down in the midst of a nest of shrieking harpies! Too funny. His knowlege of Egyptian religion is faulty however. It was Osiris, not his son Horus, who was risen. But nice try anyway Bill.
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In the end days As you can see the falling away from Jesus as predicted in Revelation.
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Maher is the one who threatened some Truthers, in his audience. In fact, he ran out there, like a nut, and said he was gonna kick their butts, or some such.
He wouldn't invite you, if you did Zeitgest. The point is, Maher is a lost cause. He can keep it. He stole your work, and didn't give you credit, so whatever on his phony arsheloch.
Your film was brilliant, by the way.
Thanks.
This information has been around long before you were born, and can be found in a thousand places besides your work. But if you wish to take credit for it all, pat yourself on the back, and call Maher "brave" for stating the obvious, go right ahead. And how nice of Maher, A Zionist Atheist, to tell us the "truth" about religion.
Anonymous said...
Acarya, It would be a mistake to think that you are the only one who has come up with this idea. At one point I was a Kemetic individual. In other words I was a neo-pagan trying to revive the old religion of Egypt. Many of the Kemetic individuals believe that Horus is the actual Jesus, and I also ran across a book by an Egyptian researcher who posited the same idea. The idea of Krishna/Christ connection is brought up in "Proof of Worldwide Vedic Culture."
I have never said, implied or even thought that I am the only one who has come up with this idea. My blog post does not suggest such an idea - in fact, it says the opposite. My books are designed to demonstrate that MANY people have perceived reality in this manner. Indeed, I show a consensus wherever I can.
That being said, I also know this field and its literature VERY well, which might be obvious to those who know my work. As I stated earlier - and I was very specific about this fact in both my blog post and subsequent comments here - I am talking about the motif of Horus-Osiris being "borrowed" in the Jesus-Lazarus pericope. THAT specific comparison can only be found in a handful of texts, to any meaningful extent - as I specifically stated - in the works of Kuhn and Massey.
Having just essentially completed researching and writing a 600-page work on the Horus-Jesus comparison - called Christ in Egypt: The Horus-Jesus Connection - using over 600 sources and making some 2000 citations, I am VERY aware of much of the literature on the subject in not only English but also other languages, such as German and French.
r8r said...
Yes, no offense whatever to Acharya S, but the many parallels between Egyptian stories and Biblical ones have been clear to many for a very long time. The scholarship is not original with Acharya's book by any means, and one can't assume Bill Maher encountered it there.
Once again, I am specifically talking about the Horus-Lazarus motif, which I can assure is not to be found in any meaningful detail beyond the texts I already mentioned.
Moreover, since my work was essentially the inspiration for the Horus-Jesus comparisons in "Zeitgeist," if Maher has seen the movie, then there is good reason to state that he knows my work.
Anonymous said...
Blasphemy is still blasphemy. Do you think God created you as an equal? Do you think you could comprehend God? Does your puny human brain and its "logical" thought processes process at the same level of God. I think not.
And why should I listen to you, since you only have a "puny human brain?"
MY God made me brilliant and perfectly capable of understanding Her - and it is blasphemy to suggest otherwise.
Anonymous said...
I enjoyed seeing someone who screams at those with opposing viewpoints from himself plopped down in the midst of a nest of shrieking harpies! Too funny. His knowlege of Egyptian religion is faulty however. It was Osiris, not his son Horus, who was risen. But nice try anyway Bill.
Yes, Maher has major cajones to do that - quite admirable.
But, he did not make a mistake with his remarks, except that technically it wasn't "Lazarus" that Horus raised from the dead. As I wrote in my blog post, it was Osiris, who evidently was deemed at some point "El-Azarus" or some variant thereof.
Moreover, Horus too was raised from the dead after he was stung by Set as a scorpion.
In addition to the other some 600+ sources I used in my book Christ in Egypt, including several editions of the Egyptian Book of the Dead and Pyramid Texts, I have completed a study of the some 1100 Coffin Texts.
mad30 said...
This information has been around long before you were born, and can be found in a thousand places besides your work. But if you wish to take credit for it all, pat yourself on the back, and call Maher "brave" for stating the obvious, go right ahead. And how nice of Maher, A Zionist Atheist, to tell us the "truth" about religion.
Let me say it one more time - especially for those of you who did not even read my blog before making comments and who obviously do not know anything about my work - I HAVE NEVER SUGGESTED THAT THIS INFORMATION ORIGINATED WITH ME.
Again, I was very specific as concerns the development of the Horus-Osiris/Jesus-Lazarus connection.
That being said, it would come as a very big surprise to the vast majority of people on planet earth that this information is so well known, as is the false impression given by these comments. As someone who specializes in this field, I can attest that this information is not well known and that it is quite new to the majority of people. My work is one of the minutely few places you can find this material in the modern era.
This comment is completely false:
"...can be found in a thousand places besides your work..."
I know precisely where this information can be found, not only in English but also in other languages.
But, please, do go ahead and cite these 1,000 sources - even 100 will do. I would be amazed that in my several decades of study I could have missed all these sources.
Mathew 7:13-20 "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."
Well put! This certainly would explain the blindness to the truth manifested on this board, and just about everywhere these days.
Keep in mind it was prophesied and record in the Bible, that in the final days, a great apostasy would come about. For the ignorant, apostacy is the period where almost everyone will reject Jesus (Yahweh), and the few who chose the narrow gate will be persecuted for their beliefs. Just like my counter-opinion posts being denied to this blog.
At least Bill was able to speak out the main truth before that hen party started pecking him. Everyone should write the View and point out the idiocy of the "suspend logic to believe in God" statement. They should feel the heat for saying it. A mindset like that is exactly what is producing the terrorists and other types of whacko extremists
Of course, no mention of Jordan Maxwell. He's got some info about the disparity between an American citizen and a United States citizen that would be dangerous if propagated throughout the public circuit. Please don't wake up and seek it out! Don't worry about the monetary issues, like the Federal Reserve being as federal as Federal Express. It's actually a branch of the bank of England and prints money for our government with interest automatically attatched, in violation of our Constitution (all the actual value in this country + interest = more debt than we have value) The American dreamer shifted in his bed. What is that constant noise? It's a thief in your house, just go back to sleep.
And yet we have this conversation. Jesus, Horus, Mithra, Dionisus, we do not and can not know the true history of our species until we tear down the framework of control that permeates our educational, social, financial, political, and psychological experience. Manipulation by state powers was honed and perfected by the Egyptians, and they didn't even have television in every home to sway opinion. True freedom is a very recent concept and must be preserved in order that these discussions can take place in a more open forum that can reach a public which has long been taught how not to think rationally about anything except iphones and american idol.
All I ask is that you find out who is trying to manipulate and control you. The country being shredded by distraction happens to be mine as well as yours.
Anonymous said...
Of course, no mention of Jordan Maxwell.
No mention of Jordan by whom? Maher? Well, he didn't mention anyone.
If you're talking about me, my blog post was not about Jordan or his work in the mythicist field. It was about ONE aspect of the Horus-Jesus connection - Lazarus/Osiris - which I have written about substantially, as I stated. I got my inspiration for this particular motif from Kuhn and Massey, not Jordan.
Yes, I concur that Maxwell has brought much fascinating and important information to light.
This comment is completely false:
"...can be found in a thousand places besides your work..."
They are found in 1000 other places, simply books on mythology and religion, where a person does their own comparative research, puts the pieces together on their own, compares gods with gods and myths with myths, and is not dependent on a single researcher such as yourself (or David Icke), or movies such as "Zeitgeist" to supposedly separate fact from fiction for them. So yes, there are 1000 books that show similarities between Jesus and other deities, though it is not expressly the intent of such books to discredit Christianity, but just to state comparative facts in their own context. No offense (or take it because I don't really care) but anyone who researches these topics in any length will come to similar conclusions without even knowing who you or David Icke are. Again, if you wish to congratulate Zionist Bill Maher (who has called for mass population reduction on multiple occassions and thinks 911 conspiracies are "insane"), then go right ahead. Of course, Maher does a movie on comparative religion, he must be stealing it from "Zeitgeist" and yourself. What a "Brave Hero"!
Jordan Maxwell. 40 years in the business, will talk about the corruption of the Vatican (occassionally) but has never once (since he himself is Jewish) speak out against the attrocities and corruptions of Zionism.
And now that he has his lap dog, Tsarion, who thinks that "Statues of Jordan Maxwell should be erected in every city in America!", Maxwell is even more annoying and disinfo laden than ever before.
One thing you leave out in all of this Acharya, which I find puzzling in your decades of research, is why you don't get to the ROOT of the Jesus myths which are in fact 10,000+ years older than any Egyptian or Mesopotamian counterpart. There is an allegorical message of "evolutionary transmutation" which you seem to completely have missed.
I'm not trying to be a jerk here, but researchers who constantly self congratulate themselves, while leaving out so much of the bigger picture, tend to get on my nerves.
odd, last I checked in my books isis was the one who raised osiris, horus had nothing to do with it, but perhaps my literature is too outdated.
Anonymous said...
odd, last I checked in my books isis was the one who raised osiris, horus had nothing to do with it, but perhaps my literature is too outdated.
Indeed, you may wish to check that again.
It might help to actually read the Book of the Dead, Pyramid Texts and Coffin Texts. As I say, in addition to having read several editions of the Book of the Dead and Pyramid Texts, I have completed a study of the some 1100 Coffin Texts. A very large percentage of this mass of texts discusses the highly prominent role of Horus raising Osiris from the dead.
In reality, the mortuary literature itself was largely designed to recreate this crucial act of the morning sun (Horus) resurrecting the night sun (Osiris). This act was pretty much the basis of the Egyptian religion's focus on an afterlife.
mad30 - I've got to see those 1,000 citations - just give us 100 citations. You'll also need to back this comment of yours up too...
"the ROOT of the Jesus myths which are in fact 10,000+ years older than any Egyptian"
I'm not completely disagreeing but your smart ass attitude needs an adjustment. Provide citations for your comments otherwise, anyone can make comments like that without having any idea what they're talking about.
the mystical passage of Jesus raising Mary Lazarus from the
dead is always misconstrued because
the passage is read wrong. Jesus
raised a woman from the dead.
It is about casting out the seven
demons upon her womb. However I
know no one will understand this.
Lazarus was the surname of the sisters Martha and Mary.
Jesus enters into the home and
finds Martha weeping and asks
where is your sister, and she
replies "she is not here" or
a better translation is "she is
gone" but why would a man raise
a woman from the dead?"
Since there was such discrimination against women, remember it was the councils of Nicea that made women "human" in
710 ad, until then, women weren't
even human. It is why the story
became distorted.
The story of Osiris being raised from the dead is part of the secret of the blood, or Sodomy.
And how the consciousness encrypted with the code of dna
goes through the bardo state, and
the Pharaoh is reborn into the
same bloodline as heir to the
throne. This was the whole meaning of the book of the dead,
and it is the story conveyed upon the walls in the valley of the
kings. You will notice that the
pharaoh enters a boat and in the
boat with him is a double helix,
Modern archeologists suggests that
this is the kundalini, when in fact
it is the double helix of the dna.
The secret of the blood is a powerful initiation that is used
to raise the consciousness above
the limit of death, and to encrypt the gnosis of that particular
bloodline with symbols often observed as the soul makes its way
through the bardo state. It is during the soul's sojourn that
the symbols are 'recognized' and
the consciousness 'remembers' and
the entity returns to the same bloodline, and is reborn in the
house of Pharaoh, it is why
Monarchy gets it's name from the
Monarch butterfly, who always returns to the place of it's birth.
Mary was 'raised' from the dead, because the womb was completely controlled by the world of men,
and women were enslaved by men.
Too bad the interpretations were
so destroyed by men.
Osiris is not 'ressurected' he is
re incarnated. There is a difference. Reincarnation is
an exercise performed in the
'dead' of night, whereas
ressurection is being brought
forth by day.
Mary Lazarus was raised from
the dead.
Anonymous said...
Blasphemy is still blasphemy. Do you think God created you as an equal? Do you think you could comprehend God? Does your puny human brain and its "logical" thought processes process at the same level of God. I think not. Logic and believing in God are paradoxical, believing in God takes a leap of faith, that is you accept it under no pretense of human logic. Thats the beauty of it, thats the secret of it. Once you free yourselves from the bounds of logic in acceptance of God and his true revelation then you will be free.
Ok so you aren't suppose to use your brain? We're just suppose to accept the Bible without thinking for ourselves? Nice. Guess our brains weren't meant to be used except to make our heart and lungs function? Somehow that doesn't make much sense.
It would seem that blasphamy is anything that offends the god concept that various groups of people or an individual created. The idea of a deity, any deity, be it Hindu, Islamic, Jewish, Christian, etc is a human concept. This concept is generally attributed to what people do not understand/comprehend and they are generally superstitious. Accepting what ever the popular human concept is under no pretense of logic is to not think for oneself. It is a lack of thinking and IF there is a god, I do not believe he would give us a brain that think and then request that we do not use it. Sounds like the beauty of it is the act of laziness in thought processes. Why would we have all that neurochemistry in our brains if we are not suppose to use it? Doesn't make much sense to me. It makes more sense to use it and then one may gain a fuller understanding of the world around them.
Seems to me, the one who doesn't use his/her brain is the one with a puny brain. Have you ever considered IT maybe chemical in nature and very much part of this world, like so many other things are, and within everything? Oh wait, you probably don't know much about neuorology or the chemical makeup of things here on earth. How do you know that you don't honour Virgo when you talk about Mother Mary? Virgo stepped on a snake too, just as Mary is often pictured.
Anonymous said...
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Surprised you didn't throw John 3:16 at us too, which is nothing but a fear tactic. The thing is, we are part of nature, not apart from it nor are we above it or below it. I hate to tell you this, but there is no god in the sky or below us either. If you split a piece of wood, could it not be in that piece of wood too?
You may know your Bible verses enough to look them up, but it seems to me that is about the only literature you know best. It would seem to me, that if it is in even a piece of wood, it would not be out there somewhere and it would definitely not be some old man in the sky. Rather, it would have no gender, form, or mass, but could be some sort of element or elements commonly found in everything that is within the universe and interacts with people much as chemicals do. It could be ruach (wind) or nephesh (the breath of god, which could be the very first breath of life we take) even. However, I seriously doubt it has any form or gender nor is it explainable in human words.
Any use of human words only makes whatever it is, if it even exists, a human concept and not a deity at all.
Acharya said:
That being said, I also know this field and its literature VERY well, which might be obvious to those who know my work.
Unlike anonymous, you probably know exactly what I'm throwing at him/her in return for his Bible preaching and without quoting any exact chapter and verse or exact sayings. lol Yes, Acharya does know her literature very well.
Anonymous said...
just because the "bible" has some passages that are clearly written by people with self interests in mind doesnt prove there isnt a God.
I don't recall Acharya ever saying there is no god. She didn't say there was either. In fact, if you read her posts, you would see she refers to something as a She or Her. Acharya is referring to her own god concept when she does this. And there is not a damn thing wrong with it. She has every right to that concept, just as I do an indescribable and somewhat agnostic due to it being more or less chemistry, "IT" concept.
Acharya said,
MY God made me brilliant and perfectly capable of understanding Her - and it is blasphemy to suggest otherwise.
Case in point concerning what blasphemy is: Whatever is offensive to one's god concept. In otherwords, Anonymous, you offended Acharya's own view of god. Your God, Anon., isn't the only concept of a god, nor is it necessarily the right concept. It is only a human concept and there are many different ones, including no concept at all.
I have come to the conclusion, that those who have their own concept, despite cultural pressures, are the ones who not only thought it through for themselves, but their concept also has personal meaning to them and how they relate to the world around them.
Well put! This certainly would explain the blindness to the truth manifested on this board, and just about everywhere these days.
Keep in mind it was prophesied and record in the Bible, that in the final days, a great apostasy would come about. For the ignorant, apostacy is the period where almost everyone will reject Jesus (Yahweh), and the few who chose the narrow gate will be persecuted for their beliefs. Just like my counter-opinion posts being denied to this blog.
Why is it the anonymous people seem to be deluded in their own fairy tale? Could it be they are the ones who don't have eyes to see?
I don't see your counter-post or anyone elses being denied.
On top of that, why does it seem some people have to attack Acharya? It's really rediculous.
It's also ashame people don't read more.
Anonymous said...
Of course, no mention of Jordan Maxwell.
Jordan Maxwell's work was also involved with Zeitgeit.
"mad30 - I've got to see those 1,000 citations - just give us 100 citations. You'll also need to back this comment of yours up too..."
Any of the dozen of books or hundred articles by Joseph Campbell is a good start. Manly P. Hall, Aleister Crowley, Helena Blavastky, none of them shied away from the similarities of Jesus, Horus, Mithra, Quetzelcoatl or other Sun Worshiping cults and ritualistic practices.
Or pretty much any good resource of comparative mythology and studies of world religion at an academic level. There indeed are hundreds, if not thousands of works (some of them "generic" mythology encyclopedias) which plainly show similarities between the Jesus (Gnostic) traditions to those of varying world mythologies.
However, like I stated, with many of these works it is not the intent to discredit Christianity (or any religion) or overly emphasis these similarities, but only to state some of the facts for the sake of study, and let people draw their own conclusions.
"the ROOT of the Jesus myths which are in fact 10,000+ years older than any Egyptian"
You'll have to pardon me as I'm working on several research projects and publications of my own in this area, and have divulged my thoughts freely over the years, but it's too complicated to easily address in a brief blog response. Let's just say it's inherently tied to evolutionary theory as well as the birth of secret societies and emergence of language and culture.
I have love for all avenues of comparative mythology, not solely for "debunking" religion, but because it's fascinating and important research tied into every facet of our historical social progression.
I don't mean to have a "smart ass" response, but am no real fan of Bill Maher. ;)
Also, the "Raising of the Djed", just thought I'd mention that particular ceremony in relation to Horus/Isis/Osiris.
Martin
"No offense to Acharya S, but Bill Maher is basically ferret shit. He has all the credibility of GW, with much less stroke. This man has to pay BIG bucks to raise his dick from the dead."
"Thats the beauty of it, thats the secret of it. Once you free yourselves from the bounds of logic in acceptance of God and his true revelation then you will be free."
So what is the differnce between a logical brain (human) and a non-logical brain (animal)if you leave out logic? Nothing! except that you need to stoop to the level of an animal to "understand" your god Jesus. By corallary all animals must be having visions of Jesus like the Christians do! :)
The great mythologies of the past regarding the Sun god were primitive forms of prophecy regarding the coming of the Christ. Over centuries the thoughts and ideas regarding this "myth" manifested centuries later in the form of Jesus Christ. Thoughts become things and in this collective thinking we were sent our true Christ.
When Jesus was crucified by the ancestors of todays Talmudic/ Gnostic/ Luciferians it was not Deicide (God is eternal)but Aletheiacide(murdering the truth.)People like Bill Maher are selective sceptics who accepting nebulous authority figures opinions smugly regurgitate half baked nonsense(how many people can check to see if the original hieroglyphs say what some weekend scholar thinks it says?)Far greater intellects than Marr(who has no problem with 911/the Holocaust/Darwinianism and other safe Orthodoxies.)would eat Maher and his gatekeepers alive in a debate(Dr. Richard Bauckham etc.)Jesus Christ has stood 2000 years of scrutiny and wins every time.It would help if Bill didnt resemble Grandpa from the Munsters when he condescends to the unenlightened.
Mad30 said,
Let's just say it's inherently tied to evolutionary theory as well as the birth of secret societies and emergence of language and culture.
I do think there is an evolutionary pattern to religion given how religion has "evolved" over the years. However, I think it has lost something over time thanks to science. The problem, IMO, is that many of the religious have rejected scientific discovery in favour of keeping superstitious beliefs, but even superstition has its part in the evolution too.
I think if people had not rejected science in favour of religion, it would have developed into something more intellectual. This of course would be a more or less godless belief, yet more down to earth or earthy belief.
I'm not sure if that makes sense or not.
Anon said,
By corallary all animals must be having visions of Jesus like the Christians do! :)
OH but Anon, God was made in our image. That would mean it would not be anything like Jesus. In other words, my girls (cats) would have a god like Bast and the story would go a little like this:
Long long ago, in Egypt of course, there was this pussy was so pure, rightous, and a virgin that Bast chose her to have his Tom. Bast supernaturally impregnated Queen Meowy (females who have babies are Queens). Tom was born of a virgin Queen, Tom descended into hell and on the third day he rose again. He is seated on the right hand of Bast. He will return again to judge the living and the dead- now this would include the humans who care for cats.
Now imagine a virgin Queen having only ONE kitten born of Bast. lol It's laughable, maybe the rest of the litter are disiples, but if such a statement were true, it would be a blue-eyed Siamese or better yet! A blue-eyed all white Tom, that has no genetic defects, not even deafness. Queen Mary would be stepping on mice, instead of a snake. And the crucifixion would be um... oh yes... That dreadfully cruel thing some kids do to cats on Halloween night- Tom would be hung from a tree. No, no. It would not be written that Jews or Romans or any group in particular killed Tom, but rather humans killed Tom. For humans to enter the kingdom with their precious cats, they would have to treat them like gods and goddesses, as well as be subserviant to cats because they have god Bast. Worship their kitties.
Oh boy! *roll* I may have just described the Bast religion, esp with that ending. The thing is, a deity is generally created not only in the minds of humans, but looking like them, just as the text states. It is only natural to have a god concept look like the creator of said deity, which really wouldn't make it a deity, but even so...
Canines could do the same with Sirius. Monkeys' god would be Hanuman. Anansi would be the spider god. The list goes on and on.
So, animals do not and would not have a human Jesus concept concerning the son of God nor would any other animal. This is something I've pondered since I first heard it as a child. I said, "Does that mean animals' gods look like them?" I was told that animals are inferior and don't have the brain to worship God. Then I ran into Bast and Sirius, later Hanuman. False gods? Hummm... If animals could talk, as well as create gods, I don't know if they would agree.
Hopefully you can see where I'm going with this.
Anonymous said...
The great mythologies of the past regarding the Sun god were primitive forms of prophecy regarding the coming of the Christ. Over centuries the thoughts and ideas regarding this "myth" manifested centuries later in the form of Jesus Christ. Thoughts become things and in this collective thinking we were sent our true Christ.
It's only "our true Christ" in the eyes of Christians. If the senerio I laid out above were true and not just a story I just made up, could it be the Osiris story became the Anointed Tom and the one true Anointed Tom is the son of Bast, for cats at least? Most Xians would say it is an illogical fallicy because animals don't have the brain to worship God. They don't? Then neither could primitive humans- like oh I don't know Lucy and her hubby maybe? I don't think superstitions are only a human thing, but that maybe for another post for those who don't observe animals and/or don't have an education that helps to rid them of superstition. It could be quite insulting.
Jesus Christ has stood 2000 years of scrutiny and wins every time.
Actually... That character is just another name for the same character of other stories. If it were not Jesus, it would be someone else. In reality, Jesus hasn't stood 2000 years. The Roman church didn't exist 2000 years ago. The Jesus of the time is not where near the same as the Jesus of today. Gnostics, Docetist, etc did not believe in a literal Jesus much less a literal resurrection. They would have no comprehension of many of today's people's concept of Jesus and probably look at many of us cross-eyed because so many humans have literalize it, instead of keeping it all in the spiritual realm. There was nothing literal about their beliefs and that Jesus never did survive. It died centuries ago.
Remember that before you had your book published, many African-Centered scholars had reviewed Gerald Massey, especially his clear conclusion that the peoples of the Nile Valley who' culture were one with the Ancient Egyptian Gods were African.
Why is this important? It's widely known that Bill Maher has had Black women as long time girlfriends. I myself have seen him in plenty of clubs from New York to Los Angeles for the last 15 years with the same African-American woman. Many African-Americans who have a passing interest in comparative religions know that Egypt was the birth place of the later religions of Christianity, Islam, and Judiasm (in this true evolutionary historical order).
When you are around Black people intimately, you will know the truths that we know. We think Bill is at least inspired by this rather than your book. Your lover can be and is the main one who can pass information to you without rousing the gatekeepers of the Judeo-Christo-Islamic myths....
African scholars like Cheik Anta Diop, Theope Obenga, Ivan Van Sertima, Charles S. Finch MD, Molefi Asante, Dr. Asa Hillard, Dr. John Henrik Clarke, and their many students who have published and self-published books that were in the public sphere long before you published your book. There are many African scholars who in spite of colonialism and the claiming of African culture for their masonic diatribes, were able to find the Egyptian connects to Christianity like George G.M. James who wrote Stolen Legacy
While we understand the cycles of life that reintroduce old forgotten information into the public... let's not get too carried away in thinking that it was your work that was used to inspire that part of Maher's film.
Much more has been found to prove that the Jesus story originated in Egypt. See Bible Origins in Egypt (Google). Horus is the Hellenized name for HR (few vowels in Egyptian glyphs). He was also known as IOSA meaning the Ever Coming Son. This is still the name used in Gaelic - see Gaelic Gospel of Mark on 'Read many versions of the Bible online'. Many patriarchs have now been identified as Egyptian kings including Cain and Abel who also appear in Irish legend together with Brian another Egyptian king. The Tuatha Dedanaan of Irish legend were Duat and Tatanen in Egypt. In Bible Origins check out the evidence for Solomon having been the Pharaoh SalimAmen, then go to the section on Jesus.
BLACKWATCH said...
Remember that before you had your book published, many African-Centered scholars had reviewed Gerald Massey, especially his clear conclusion that the peoples of the Nile Valley who' culture were one with the Ancient Egyptian Gods were African....
You make an interesting point about Maher's love life, and that may explain much.
There was no need for the rude and disrespectful remark at the end. I don't believe I need to clarify once again that I am specifically discussing one motif as having been developed extensively only by a handful of people - and I quite prominently raised Massey as one of them.
Stephanus Marturus said,"Far greater intellects than Marr
would eat Maher and his gatekeepers alive in a debate(Dr. Richard Bauckham etc.)" Is Dr. Pat Robertson another?
Bill Mayer and Grandpa Munster?
You have to be kidding. Dr. Bauckham's picture on his web page is quite funny with the comb over hair cut and Coke bottle bottom eyeglasses. A regular first class nerd...
Its disheartening to know that such an intelligent individual as Dr. Bauckham's can become so twisted, confused and brainwashed into wasting his intellect believing in mystical beings.
What proof do you have the Jesus Christ existed and that there is a "God" other than what is written in the Holy Bible?
When you are around Black people intimately, you will know the truths that we know.
HA! My ex-husband (about as intimate as you can get), who is Black, is so superstitious it is not funny. He believes the Bible to be true also. Such things are simply not true and many Black people I know are the worst in this area. I know of only two Black men who are atheists.
Blogger Mriana said...
"When you are around Black people intimately, you will know the truths that we know."
HA! My ex-husband (about as intimate as you can get), who is Black, is so superstitious it is not funny. He believes the Bible to be true also. Such things are simply not true and many Black people I know are the worst in this area. I know of only two Black men who are atheists.
Thanks, Mriana. I had missed that somewhat insulting - and racist - remark. How does this sound: "When you are around White people intimately, you will know the truths that we know?"
Thanks, Mriana. I had missed that somewhat insulting - and racist - remark. How does this sound: "When you are around White people intimately, you will know the truths that we know?"
You're welcome. I had to read it twice, because it sounded so ignorant the first time. Didn't sound any better the second time either. Even his comment about it being widely known that Bill Maher has spent 15 years with an African-American woman. He has? She's Black? I honestly didn't know this, but I don't really care. It seems to me, right down to his nick "Blackwatch" he has some issues.
However, the White remark sounds almost as bad, but even Greydon Square asked in one of his songs as to why he would want to accept the religion of his ancestor's slave owners. The thing is, most people don't know that Christianity, for the most part, came out of Egypt. For Greydon, Christianity came from White people. In reality though, Christianity is a servant religion. Christians serve the Lord, so they say, and they can site chapter and verse that gave them this idea.
My mother gave me a picture once that said, "As for me and my family, we will serve the Lord." IF I remember correctly, it is Joshua 24:15b. In Deut 34:05, Moses died as a servant of the Lord. Job 1:08 God called him a servant. Psalms refers to servants of the Lord too. Isaiah was a servant, etc etc etc. Sharat is the verb "to serve" as well as the verb "abad". Abad is often used to refer to serving God, which also has the meaning "to enslave". In the NT this becomes the Greek diakonia and latreia (in reference to God).
It would seem most religions are servant religion that include submission- not just the Islamic religion. And just what the hell are people really serving in such religions? A human concept that exist in the minds of those in authority- ie Rome who rules Xianity (be it Catholic or Protestant) and the Imans of Sharia in Islam.
Ok now I've taken this Blog thread a completely different direction, but why would Black people have anymore knowledge of the origins of religion than anyone else? They wouldn't and don't. They are just as superstitious, if not more superstitious as anyone else. In fact, if one were to look at the stats, more Black people than White are religious and take the text literally, BUT it is through education that ALL people end up seeing the truth of religious texts. The one complaint of the man who was interviewed on the Humanist News Network podcast was (an he is/was the leader of a Black Humanist group) that the Black Community insisted on belief in God and had more problems than White people do concerning a lack of belief. I can't find the podcast right now, but that is basically the summery of what he had to say. Sad, but from my experience he seems fairly accurate. The problem is, there are many White people who are just as bad, even in this day and age.
May it never happen to any of you, but when Satan attacks you will instantly know that both he and God are oh very very real.
Stay clear of evil, including satanic magic and worship. No sane person who knows just how deeply evil, repugnant and foul Satan is would ever ever wish to have him exist anywhere, let alone worship him as they did in ancient Egypt and alsewhere through these monstruous gods whose service might buy your eternal soul.
God and Satan are TOTALLY UTTERLY REAL. And these feel-good "gods" are satanic, crystal meth that can ruin your soul.
Yeah, be very afraid, and no less of God Almighty himself who could do inconceivable horrible things to you like let a fallen evil angel near you, and who knows what else.
Satan's presence causes the coldest horror imaginable and his touch befouls your entire being.
DO NOT PLAY WITH "MAGIC" (its evil), save your souls!
Anonymous said...
May it never happen to any of you, but when Satan attacks you will instantly know that both he and God are oh very very real.
Stay clear of evil, including satanic magic and worship. No sane person who knows just how deeply evil, repugnant and foul Satan is would ever ever wish to have him exist anywhere, let alone worship him as they did in ancient Egypt and alsewhere through these monstruous gods whose service might buy your eternal soul.
God and Satan are TOTALLY UTTERLY REAL. And these feel-good "gods" are satanic, crystal meth that can ruin your soul.
Yeah, be very afraid, and no less of God Almighty himself who could do inconceivable horrible things to you like let a fallen evil angel near you, and who knows what else.
Satan's presence causes the coldest horror imaginable and his touch befouls your entire being.
DO NOT PLAY WITH "MAGIC" (its evil), save your souls!
*rolling eyes* OK I'm going to speak my mind and let it all out in part because you came here and attacked first. No one attacked you. Just how delusional, superstitious, and irrational can a religious person get? Is this just the tip of the iceburg or can they get more insane than this? IF your deity were to truly exist he is an abusive one and you appear to have Stockholms Syndrome due to cult mentality. In all honesty, you are more scary than some sort of fictional human concept of a deity. What did other humans do to you to cause you to be so delusionally irrational and mentally ill?
I suggest getting out of your bizarre cult and psychological help- no they can't steal anyone's soul, but they can help to get people back to sanity. Geeze! Not even Santa Claus is that abusive and children who believe in Santa Claus aren't even as delusionally insane.
Good grief! Even my Free Methodist Evangelical great uncle did magic tricks while he preached "the word of God" and had no fear of magic himself, still doesn't. He is now 99 y.o. and still preaching away, sometimes doing his magic tricks, and says ministers don't retire until they get to heaven "and boy what a retirement it is". So magic isn't as bad as you crazily go on about. IF it were he'd be cursed with hemorrhiods (emerods (sp?)) and died a painful death long ago.
Wake up and face reality!
"...no less of God Almighty himself who could do inconceivable horrible things to you..."
What a lovely god you possess in your head! Does he talk to you too and tell you to do these "inconceivable horrible things" to others?
Here is a classic example of what religious child abuse does to people. This person's view of reality is so completely skewed that he or she is not really living on planet Earth but already occupies some sort of "hell realm."
In a sane society, no individual would be brainwashed to this extent, because IMO this sort of depraved fanaticism is a mental illness.
STOP RELIGIOUS CHILD ABUSE.
There are discernible patterns in everything we perceive. We LEARN because there exist patterns. Like the numerical systems that are continuously repeated, everything recurs. Patterns or similarities.
See e.g. the similarities between the two presidents; Lyndon B. Johnson and George W. Bush. Both were governors from Texas. Both had two daughters some of whom got married in the White House, Both ascended to power after national tragedies (assassination of JFK and 9/11.) Both got to the presidency through shadow means. Both conducted a war of aggression on civilian foreign populations. You can also find striking similarities in the power grab of this administration and the ascent of the Nazi Germany and Hitler.
In several thousand years these "leaders'" lives might be blurred in detail or be equated. Yet NOW we know that these individuals are NOT the same. As with the holocaust deniers or the pages of the Soviet history books, we know that for one reason or another, people rewrite history ALL THE TIME. The bible has been edited MANY times,
That was exactly my point Acharya.
The connection has been made hundreds of years ago. Although secretly???
I thought Jesus raising Lazarus was a myth just as Hiram being raised by SOLoman. Get it?
The initiation cermony is nothing more than a reenactment and personification of MYTH. That Jesus raised Lazarus or Horus raised Osirus or my Brother/Father raised me. It's all based on the same myth. Thanks for your complete understanding.
Blessed Be, Jim or umm The Widows Son
quinoa said...
I, ever since becoming a Freemason, have come to believe that the story of Jesus "raising" Lazarus from the dead was an "initiation ceremony". At least the simiarities are there. I mean why take your time and wait 3 days to get to your dead friend. Barbara Thiering has also made these connections in The Pesher of Christ. So I believe there are more source materials out there to give Bill the information he is disclosing than what you have givin us here. I mean all you gotta do is read Morals and Dogma by Albert Pike 1871 and you can find loads of "hidden" info. Read between the lines. He exposes all of this over 130 years ago!
Blessed Be, Jim
1:49 PM
Acharya S said...
However you wish to interpret it, upon examination it becomes obvious that the story of Jesus raising Lazarus is based on the MYTHICAL motif of Horus resurrecting Osiris, a theme that was ubiquitous throughout the massive Egyptian mortuary and funerary literature.
When I cite the sources in my blog, I am specifically talking about those who have made the connection between Horus-Osiris and Jesus-Lazarus, not the many thousands of books that have discussed the biblical Lazarus story in itself.
Umm. OK. I didn't intend offense but thanks for your clearification.
Have you ever investigated masonic myth/legend? It's ALL out there.
This is typical of people who want to be right, with no other options.
Talk over people.
Most of what I've read from Acharya S. I studied in college, a Christian college in ANES. This stuff should have been common knowledge centuries ago. The only reason Christianity still exists is that the results of modern scholarship have been withheld from them. Thanks to Acharya and a few other scholars the general public is now being made aware that Jesus Christ simply never existed. Thanks Acharya. By the way Acharya is a looker.
From Morals And Dogma by Albert Pike 1871 page 524.
"We (as masons) do not under value the importance of any truth. We utter no word that can be deemed irreverant by any one of any faith.
(your doing it for us Acharya S HA HA)
We do not tell the Moslem that it is only important for him to believe that there is but one God, and wholly unessential whether Mahomet was His prophet. We do not tell the Hebrew that the Messiah whom he expects was born in Bethlehem nearly two thousand years ago; and that he is a heretic because he will not so believe. And as little do we tell the sincere Christian that Jesus of Nazareth was but a man like us, or *His history but the unreal revival of an older legend.* To do either is beyond our jurisdiction. Masonry, of no one age, belongs to all time; of no one religion, it finds its great truths in all."
Page 548 says:
"Osiris, Isis and Horus were the Father, Mother and Son; the latter being light, the soul of the World, the Son, the Protogonos or First Begotten."
I call the androginization of the Feminine Principle of Divinity to be the Paulean Heresey.
Page 81 says:
"Horus was the mediator, who was buried three days, was regenerated, and triumphed over the evil principle.
The word Heri, in Sanscrit, means SHEPHERD, as well as SAVIOR. Crishna is called HERI, as Jesus called Himself the GOOD SHEPHERD."
Now there is my proof that it is known among Scottish Rite Masons at least that Horus, Crishna and Jesus are one and the same from a philisophical standpoint anyway.
I failed to find any reference to Lazarus at all though so good job with the connection.
I praise your research Acharya S
Blessed Be
I just stumbled upon this article about Bill Maher's movie "Religulous"
"...And the film offers a Comparative Religions 101 overview of stories that circulated around the Near East thousands of years earlier. The Egyptian god Horus; Mithra, a Persian god, and Krishna, the Indian god, all have biographies that overlap Christ's."
http://www.startribune.com/entertainment/movies/30183009.html?elr=KArksD:aDyaEP:kD:aUnc5PDiUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aULPQL7PQLanchO7DiU
I really don't know if the bible or raising someone from the dead to live again is true or not. However the one thing I know to be a fact written in stone is "THE REAL HEROES OF 9-11 WAS THE PEOPLE WHO TOOK OVER THE FLIGHTS AND FLEW THEM INTO THE TWIN TOWERS!!!!! How do I know this for sure---because little billy maher said it and if he said it it has to be the GOD honest truth---RIGHT BILLY?
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