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Sunday, November 04, 2007

The Islamization of Europe

This video is a speech by British politician Nick Griffin at Clemson University on October 24, 2007. Mr. Griffin is well educated about Islam and what is happening in Europe as I write. The figures he gives are alarming, to say the least.

"In France...70% of all prisoners in French prisons are Muslims."

"In Muslim areas of London, white boys are relentlessly beaten night after night after night, just for being white and walking down the street. And white girls and Sikh girls and Hindu girls and black girls are relentlessly hit upon, quite often literally dragged, and gang-raped."

"...the rural areas of Norway now are literally filling up with middle-class liberals fleeing from Holland, where their ideology has helped to create in Holland a multicultural society which is set to be taken over by Islam, so now, the ones with the money are running away from it."

"The Parliamentary Commission in Holland last year concluded that by 2017 at the very latest all of Holland's cities would be majority Muslim."

"More than half of all school-aged children in France in 10 or 12 years will be Muslim."

"In Denmark, Muslims at present officially make up 5% of the population, but they take up 40% of all the money spent on welfare benefits."

And so on. Everyone needs to watch this video. This phenomenon does not end with the Atlantic Ocean but is finding its way, slower but as surely, across the Pond into Canada and the U.S. Australia and New Zealand are also being challenged in this regard. So far, South America remains relatively untouched, but there are growing settlements there - at this point largely terrorist operations - poised to assault the United States as well.

11 comments:

Anonymous said...

The effects of this phenomenon have been known for decades, it is widely talked about it now ( www.vdare.com ), but it has largely been ignored in "polite society" because it cuts to the core of the consequences of open-door immigration policy and the adoration that liberal, intellectual and now conservative elites have with it, coupled with the intrinsic hatred / self-hatred of working class and middle-class whites, who bear the brunt of these policies and a puerile desire to stamp out “racism”. The problem isn’t so much Islam, although that is indeed another story. The real problem is immigration, e.g. the fact that “they” are over here, making life miserable for all of us.

I’m quite sure that when all is said and done, the whole of the Western culture will go down the tubes just like the ancient Roman empire did. If immigration is the cause, then the West will die a politically-correct death. Diversity, whether of people, cultures or religions, ultimately leads to conflict and death.

Goose said...

"Diversity, whether of people, cultures or religions, ultimately leads to conflict and death."

Respectfully, I think this comment is way off. As long as you are mixing peaceful and tolerant peoples you won't have a problem. The problem right now is a political movement, disguised as a religion, that condones violence and the subhuman treatment of women. This has nothing to do with diversity. Every human on this planet must take responsibility for their actions and no one should be able to hide under the cloak of their religion or culture.

As I've mentioned before, the world is converting to Islam not by proselytizing but by mass breeding. That, in itself shows that the political movement is too weak to win by reason, and rather, it has to be drilled into a captive audience at a young age -- thus the incentive for huge families. Those who do not conform are the spoiled berries and are purged from the flock by honor killings and excommunications. Thus, the political movement rules by fear. I think our only defense to this extremely well evolved political machine is to counter with rationalism. In the end, I believe the rationalists will prevail and the Islamic political campaign, as well as other religions, will run out of steam and falter at the feet of reason.

JHR said...

Unless we are going to adopt the tactics of an overt police state, the best thing we can do individually and as a society is to rid ourselves of our addiction to oil. Gradualism won't do! Time for all of us to rethink what our personal contribution is going to be. Each of us can trim the oil burning fat from our lives, be it light bulbs, hybrid cars, wearing more clothes around the house. It is very personal. I don't like paying $3.50 a gal for gas. It is to my benefit to cut the addiction to the gas pump. If we all do it, oil will no longer be the issue. (Just think of the side benefit of all that pollution that wouldn't be there during the morning commute if we all drove hybrids, or something even better.)

If the societies of europe no longer care to preserve the cultural identity that once was, so be it. The same goes for those of us living in the USA. My exposure to the immigrant community is slight. There are plenty of men eager to work, standing on the curb. I've hired men to help me around the house from time to time. They have all been clean and willing to work, be it for one hour or for four. Most have been from Guatalmala...here out of necessity...there is no work back home, except what you can scratch out of the dirt as a compacino. I live in Marin county just north of San Francisco. These men had to come a long way to get a few hours of work from guys like me. I pay them fair and square($12p/hr). I here tales of many of them getting stiffed by contractors, after several days of work. Life is not easy for these men.
A few days ago, I went to a part of Oakland I had not been in for years. It had always had a latin flavor to it before, but now, it felt very much like being in a foreign country. All the store signs in Spanish. Very much the feel of Mexico, without the piles of debris, or unfinished construction projects.
They've add something good to that street that wasn't there in earlier decades. Before, it was drab, now it is vibrant with activity.
In my view, migrations of people have been going on for many millennia. In the case of europe, a century of devastating warfare left a void of at least 50 million dead that was subsequently filled by people from the southern islamic belt. Now the warning is being sounded. If attitudes remain as they are, much of western europe will be utterly changed, and not in a way that any of us would have predicted but a few score of years ago.

It is happening in the US as well, but then that is what has been happening here since before the inception of our country, so its impact is entirely different than in the more culturally bound societies of europe.

Anonymous said...

Nick Giffin is a racist, his comments are designed to incite hatred. He is head of the B.N.P. party in England that is well known for its racist views. Islam is a growing religion but so what? We live in a democracy after all, you cant pick and choose who you think should be allowed to live here. Nick Griffin is on the side of the Nazis, his party members have been pictured many times giving Nazi salutes. We defeated Hitler for a good reason, he represented evil. We owe our entire civilisation to Islam, we would still be stuck in the Dark ages without them.
I am a member of no religion, but I'm no Nazi either.

Acharya S said...

"We owe our entire civilisation to Islam..."

When you make ludicrous statements like that, I am disinclined to give credence to the rest of your remarks.

Regardless of shrill cries of "racism," in the first place Islam is NOT a race. Secondly, what Griffin here is reciting are FACTS. And as far as I'm concerned these FACTS need to be recited in order to prevent the utter destruction of human civilization. You may be content with seeing your progeny enslaved under Islam - which is NOT a democracy, by the way - but I am not interested in losing my freedoms, or my head, to this heinous form of mind control.

It sounds like more education regarding Islam is in order. Try this site:

Religion of Peace

Concerned said...

I came across this site having seen a rather refreshing video where you talk about the Jesus myth & give an interesting treatise challenging the current orthodoxy. At last, I thought, some genuinely intelligent and erudite discourse on the intersection between myth, religion & culture. Imagine my dismay to find this site & the promotion of the views of Nick Griffin. I am vehemently anti religion & am absolutely not a friend of Islam. However let us be clear that Griffin's views are not a defacto refutation of religion per se. Were it (white) Christians who were 'taking over' he would be more than happy. His dismay is based on race, not religion or even culture. It would not take long to find out the truth of his character: I'll not be churlish & ask you to 'google' him. Suffice to say that any man who chooses to name his pet pigs 'Anne' & 'Frank' is not one whose opinions or so called facts be taken seriously.

http://peterblack.blogspot.com/2006/04/no-answer.html

http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/index.php?getPage=link5i

Acharya S said...

Let me reiterate that the facts Nick Griffin is recounting in this video here about the pending utter destruction of Europe are too important to ignore. If you have another source for all of these incredibly important facts, please provide it, and I will be glad to post it. If the destruction of Europe at the hands of Islamic fanatics is allowed to happen, none of this relatively petty stuff will matter.

Concerned said...

Very well.

As the video of Mr. Griffin does not seem to be working I'm unable to offer a line by line refutation of his comments. I will however take issue with the points you outlined.

"In France...70% of all prisoners in French prisons are Muslims."

I cannot verify this figure. It would be fair to say though that France's relationship with it's former colonial subjects, particularly Arab & African is not unlike one between abuser & abused. If one were to contend that there were a disproportionate number of African Americans in US jails it would not necessarily follow that it was because they were fonder of criminality per se. Unless one were a racist of course. Likewise without knowing the circumstances around this '70%' the figure is largely meaningless & without merit.

"In Muslim areas of London, white boys are relentlessly beaten night after night after night, just for being white and walking down the street. And white girls and Sikh girls and Hindu girls and black girls are relentlessly hit upon, quite often literally dragged, and gang-raped."

This is such patent nonsense on so many levels one doesn't know where to begin. As a Londoner I would like to ask Mr Griffin where exactly these 'Muslim areas' are. London is not New York: we do not have districts which are dominated by particular ethnic groups. The closest we get to that sorry state of affairs are the Brick Lane area(which is not a district per se but a collection of streets largely dominated by Indian resturants) in East London & Southall in West London, neither of which are entirely 'dominated' by non white communities. Indeed the latter is predominantly Hindu. There was ONE report of a murder by 3 Muslims of a white male in Ilford a couple of years ago. But given that the 3 were drunk at the time of the attack one would hardly call them devout.

Having said that the city has been nicknamed 'Londonistan' by wags who point out that there were/are a number of extremists from Islamic countries who have made London their home. This has been a policy of the British state for a number of years & has included extremists from different communities outside Islam. Why the state has been so accomodating to such groups is a matter you would have to take up with them, but in the Islamic context much of it regarded the 'realpolitique' of the Cold War & the suppresion of nationalist movements in the case of Egypt (Suez), Iran ('53), Afghanistan ('78) etc. The fact that these groups, who were cultivated by Western powers, are now biting us in the ass ('blowback')is a clear case of chickens coming home to roost.

"...the rural areas of Norway now are literally filling up with middle-class liberals fleeing from Holland, where their ideology has helped to create in Holland a multicultural society which is set to be taken over by Islam, so now, the ones with the money are running away from it."

'White flight' is nothing new but I can't really comment as I don't have enough information on this particular case.

"The Parliamentary Commission in Holland last year concluded that by 2017 at the very latest all of Holland's cities would be majority Muslim."

Again I don't have the information but I'm inclined to say 'so what?' If those Muslims are law abiding & are willing to subjugate themselves to local cultural & political processes it ought not to matter. I'm not convinced that Islam is evil per se: there are some fine strains of thought & practice (Rumi, Sufism etc)that, although suppresed by the lunatic Wahabi's & their camp-followers (US/UK foreign policy in succesive administrations being a case in point), lead to a different, more spritual, philosophic & potentially transformative Islam.

"More than half of all school-aged children in France in 10 or 12 years will be Muslim."

I refer you to my previous reply.

"In Denmark, Muslims at present officially make up 5% of the population, but they take up 40% of all the money spent on welfare benefits."

I'm not convinced of the figures, but if people are at the bottom of the social ladder then by default they would receive more benefits in a welfarist society (whether welfarism is a good or bad thing is another debate). Patently obvious I would have thought.

I'm sorry but Europe is nowhere near the brink of 'utter destruction'. Not even close. If it comes, it will be because the people of Europe gave up their freedoms for a notional sense of security. Let us be clear, states are no more friends of the people than religions are. Ron Paul has this about right, I think: the West went through a period of over 40 years when thousands of nuclear warheads were pointed at us yet individual freedoms were never sacrificed for 'security'. At that time we really were on 'the brink of destruction'. Are we seriously suggesting that a few muppets in some caves in Afghanistan & elsewhere are going to overthrow the might of Europe & America? Perhaps if we stopped giving them fuel for their fire with our corrupt policies their marginal support would melt away. It would also be helpful if we hadn't/didn't use them as proxies in military & geo-political adventures.


As I stated in my previous post I'm no friend of Islam or any other religion for that matter & I'm disturbed by the silencing of debate around the subject. It is also unhelpful that we have the 'Bush Ladens' at the top of the political tree in the United States. But please, let us be careful about who we jump into bed with. Let us not be promiscuous with our affiliations. Were he in power I doubt Mr. Griffin would wish to treat Ayaan Hirsi Ali a great deal better than she was in Somalia (another damned Wahabi state just like our 'friends' Saudi Arabia). The oppresion wouldn't necessarily take the same form but would be just as evil & pernicious.

Acharya S said...

The video seems to be working fine on my end. In any case, thanks for taking the time to make your comments. Debate concerning such important issues is always healthy.

BTW, I have no affiliation with Griffin, and it is my understanding that this speech was given at Clemson University. I would assume that no one is holding that fact against Clemson.

Acharya S said...

And, by the way, there are many people in Europe who do consider that it is on the verge of "utter destruction," including Bruce Bawer, author of "While Europe Slept: How Radical Islam is Destroying the West from Within." You can see his interview with Bill Moyer here.

Then there's this little problem in France with 750 Muslims enclaves where the police are too afraid to go. Not to mention all the people fleeing Dutch cities - these FACTS have been provided to me by people who were actually there (and have now fled).

The handwriting is on the wall.

Concerned said...

"The video seems to be working fine on my end. In any case, thanks for taking the time to make your comments. Debate concerning such important issues is always
healthy."

No, thank you. I'm honestly honoured that you've taken the time to correspond.

"BTW, I have no affiliation with Griffin, and it is my understanding that this speech was given at Clemson University. I would assume that no one is holding that fact against Clemson."

You assume correctly, at least in this case. You won't find any censorious tendencies here. I've had many a verbal battle with 'the left' on this point. As much as I would fight for your right to free speech I would fight for Griffin's. The only difference being that I think I'd be more likely to agree with you on the fundamentals.

On the matter of Bruce Bawer whilst I'm suprised that you cite a commited Xtian as a source it would seem he agrees with me. He suggests that the true danger in all this is the rise of the right & re-galvanised neo-fascism. Bawer is someone else who is not likely to fare terribly well under the aegis of the likes of Griffin & I'm glad to see that he has the foresight to recognize the right as the real danger.

As for the German judge who refused a muslim woman a divorce because Islam allows the mistreatment of women he is clearly a fucking idiot who should have been sacked immediately, bogus 'cultural sensitivities' notwithstanding.

Again though in direct reference to Mr. Bawer I have to say that Islam was suprisingly far more tolerant of same sex (male at least) relationships than Christianity up until the mid 19th Century, possibly later. Lawrence's love of Arabia was a lot more literal than might at first be supposed. Rumi is again easily citeable but there are hundreds of examples from scholars, hadiths, even the Quran itself: "And there shall wait on them [the god fearing men] youths of their own, as fair as virgin pearls." (Qurʾān 52:24; 56:17; 76:19). Indeed the mistreatment of women in Islam may well have it's roots in the idea that women are for procreation & men/boys for pleasure, a pitiful sentiment rooted in Greco-Roman sensibilities.

I'm saying all this because I go back to my basic premise that Islam is not, I think, evil per se, at least no more than any other 'faith' & that it might well have the solutions to it's problems bound up in itself. But at the moment progressive voices are silenced by forces that we in the West have cultivated & promoted. It must be difficult for any muslim progressive to speak when the wahabi groups can point out that muslim lands are being bombed & their peoples killed daily by invaders & 'crusaders'. At the same time those forces happily take the West's shilling on the quiet & fight the proxy wars as it furthers the sickening agenda. A double bind if you will.

I very much doubt there's 750 enclaves in France the police 'dare not go'. You may have
noticed that Paris has been ablaze twice in the last couple of years. Both times because of muslim youth murdered by police which in turn sparked riots. Sarkozy was very clever in calling them 'scum' that should be 'washed off the streets' in the run up to the presidential elections. Doubtless the climate of fear helped a few swing voters & former Front National supporters jump his way.

I spoke to the issue of 'white flight' before so I won't comment further on the Dutch experience except to say the murder of Theo Van Gogh was clearly an absolute
disgrace.

If there's 'handwriting on the wall' it's not the Muslims who put it there, more likely the right & the neo-nazi's. Europe will lurch back towards fascism long before we get anywhere close to a western caliphate. I'll put money on it, if anyone cares to take the bet.