tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24006920.post8003634711574466656..comments2023-10-15T06:36:17.734-05:00Comments on Truth Be Known News | Blog of Acharya S: France: "No Woman Enslavement Allowed"Acharya Shttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03091289754963053674noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24006920.post-84896175481976452372008-07-20T01:00:00.000-05:002008-07-20T01:00:00.000-05:00Anonymous said... Is this the cause of the day....<I>Anonymous said...<BR/><BR/> Is this the cause of the day. Some save animals, small poor black african kids, some save trees and the whales, some save women.<BR/><BR/> No person, no government has the right to tell someone else how to live. The woman described may be used and abused or maybe that might be a choice that she has made. We tend to save the world because we are scared of saving ourselves, accepting ourselves and not being afraid of ourselves. As in the libertarian spirit, take care of yourself and don't hinder others from taking care of themselves.</I><BR/><BR/>Are you standing up in a Muslim country such as Saudi Arabia or Iran and shouting, "No person, no government has the right to tell someone else how to live?" Or are you going around the internet anonymously and trying to tell ME how to live by saying, "take care of yourself and don't hinder others from taking care of themselves?"<BR/><BR/>I'm much easier to boss around than the Saudi Arabian government, apparently.Acharya Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03091289754963053674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24006920.post-84675462894513144352008-07-19T15:24:00.000-05:002008-07-19T15:24:00.000-05:00Is this the cause of the day. Some save animals, ...Is this the cause of the day. Some save animals, small poor black african kids, some save trees and the whales, some save women. <BR/><BR/>No person, no government has the right to tell someone else how to live. The woman described may be used and abused or maybe that might be a choice that she has made. We tend to save the world because we are scared of saving ourselves, accepting ourselves and not being afraid of ourselves. As in the libertarian spirit, take care of yourself and don't hinder others from taking care of themselves.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24006920.post-47612165450614458872008-07-16T23:23:00.000-05:002008-07-16T23:23:00.000-05:00Congradulations France. Now, if we could get all c...Congradulations France. Now, if we could get all countries, plagued by Islam, to do the same and much more-the world be a better place. Islam is a cult and its followers want to one day rule the world. Scary stuff. Wake up everyone! Islam is a belief system of death. The oppression of women in Islam is just one of its many ugly heads.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24006920.post-62367222894868491112008-07-16T19:10:00.000-05:002008-07-16T19:10:00.000-05:00To Anonymous 12:12 amSo you and your husband got a...To Anonymous 12:12 am<BR/>So you and your husband got a real love groove goin’ on . That’s great. You know what? Even if you are a Muslim and I’m a rationalist, we can get along great just based on that. I guess I am a romantic at heart. I think that the more happy healthy relationships there are, the more love to go around the world. So your sugar daddy lets you dress fully veil and maybe puts on his best Barry White voice and sings “Can’t Get Enough of Your Love” while he gives you foot massages? I’m all for that.<BR/><BR/>But maybe if you’ll click on the link in the article THE ENSLAVEMENT OF WOMEN IS EVIL PERIOD, you’ll remember that there are millions of women that don’t have any choices in finding a Love Connection.<BR/>I find I hard to believe and harder still to stomach, the level of brutality against human beings in this day and age. Its not a male or female thing.<BR/>My dogs were treated with way more love and respect than millions of Muslim women. Do you realize that most Americans love their dogs more than many Muslim leaders love millions of Muslim women? I would have run into a burning building to save my dogs. My dogs were female by the way. <BR/>We are talking about brutality and violence here, not hurt feelings or lack of cultural sensitivity. This is Bloody , ugly , make-you-want-to-throw- up violence. <BR/>Won’t you kindly take a look at those links in Acharya's post at12:02 pm and send a letter or two to an Arabic site in support of those women. And know that any rational thinking man is just as likely to have terror rained upon him in those cultures. I don’t know how to type in the language of peace, but you and your husband might be able to show a better way for the more despicable extremists of your faith to live. <BR/>Now I’ll let you get back to singing “You make me Feel Like a Natural Woman” to your husband. I wish you and your husband lots of love and happiness. The more love you are sharing , the better for the planet. I hope you consider supporting it for other Muslim women.shakeituphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09576002824448770351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24006920.post-34861648223364453822008-07-16T17:10:00.000-05:002008-07-16T17:10:00.000-05:00The bottom line is this-- women are NOT 'ritually ...The bottom line is this-- women are NOT 'ritually unclean' just because men say they are, and we are not mentally, emotionally or psychologically inferior in any way to our complementary sex. <BR/><BR/>All religious and state oppression of women is done so that men can own sexual slaves: surrogate mommies they do not have to pay for their labor, and whom they can torment as they wish. The burqha is quite literally abuse hiding under the veil of morality. <BR/><BR/>The way out of this predicament is easy-- do not worship any 'god-form' that has is said to have a penis or that is referred to by the pronoun 'he', even if the god-form is said to be beyond gender. The use of the male pronoun (and the unwillingness to use the female one) means there is a sexually oppressive agenda at work.Thorn Harefoothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06712811228926265329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24006920.post-3350922811592626102008-07-16T17:05:00.000-05:002008-07-16T17:05:00.000-05:00Anonymous said... Yeah, and western style oppre...<I>Anonymous said...<BR/><BR/> Yeah, and western style oppression teaches women to walk around half naked (and they better be skinny)!<BR/><BR/> Just as bad.</I><BR/><BR/>A bogus comparison, to say the least. There is not overall societal pressure to dress half naked and be skinny or else face the wrath of God and other male egotists who will beat and rape you if you don't. Women in Western cultures generally can dress how they wish, including bagging themselves. But the latter is not something most women raised in a healthy and free environment would choose to do.Acharya Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03091289754963053674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24006920.post-52720220168105167752008-07-16T15:02:00.000-05:002008-07-16T15:02:00.000-05:00Yeah, and western style oppression teaches women t...Yeah, and western style oppression teaches women to walk around half naked (and they better be skinny)!<BR/><BR/>Just as bad. <BR/><BR/>/SeraphAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24006920.post-6279459320978021502008-07-15T01:15:00.000-05:002008-07-15T01:15:00.000-05:00Anonymous said... i think you have missed the p...<I>Anonymous said...<BR/><BR/> i think you have missed the point of this article. the point is, france is like the u.s. a suposed free state and with this said, what business does the state have in telling someone how to dress and how to practice religion, let alone what kind of wife a woman should be. i will tell you as a muslim woman that this woman has the right to decide what she wants to wear. i fully veil does that make me a slave to my husband whom would rather me not wear the face veil? the bottom line is this, the state has no right to tell anyone how to dress, how to behave, how to raise children, or how to practice a faith. when you start agreeing with this nonsense, the state will one day come at you with a microchip or say you cannot have children because of your bad genes, etc. the point is, it opens up a pandora's box and one day they will step on your toes for the most trival of things. kinda like this article. here is something else no one adressed, why was a social worker comming to her house? sounds to me like if anyone is enslaveing anyone and trying to bend the will of a person, it is the state, not her family.</I><BR/><BR/>No, I think YOU missed the point, which is that France is a sovereign nation and has the right to "just say no" to being invaded by barbaric and savage cultures that disrespect and abuse women. Yes, the state has the right to enforce ITS laws. <B>Your talk is just more of the same ARROGANT and AGGRESSIVE Islamist garbage that is causing people worldwide to hate Islam.</B> If you don't want to live in a country where women and children are not abused, then go to another country, but don't impose your crappy abusive culture on the country you're living in.<BR/><BR/>Oh, and do you believe that the STATE of Iran and the STATE of Saudi Arabia have the right to beat and jail women who aren't covered up? WHAT?? Those women don't have the right to dress the way they want. What about the girls in Saudi Arabia who were allowed to be burned to death in their school because they weren't "properly" covered up to go outside? More double-standard trash from a Muslim fanatic.<BR/><BR/>If you want to be a slave to a bunch of men who think you shouldn't be allowed to show your face in public, that's your problem, especially if you are in a free country, but don't expect others to find your problem as anything but a sign of mental illness. We absolutely do not believe that your blatant enslavement under some disgusting rules and laws made up by MEN has anything whatsoever to do with God.Acharya Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03091289754963053674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24006920.post-2733334537317395072008-07-15T00:12:00.000-05:002008-07-15T00:12:00.000-05:00i think you have missed the point of this article....i think you have missed the point of this article. the point is, france is like the u.s. a suposed free state and with this said, what business does the state have in telling someone how to dress and how to practice religion, let alone what kind of wife a woman should be. i will tell you as a muslim woman that this woman has the right to decide what she wants to wear. i fully veil does that make me a slave to my husband whom would rather me not wear the face veil? the bottom line is this, the state has no right to tell anyone how to dress, how to behave, how to raise children, or how to practice a faith. when you start agreeing with this nonsense, the state will one day come at you with a microchip or say you cannot have children because of your bad genes, etc. the point is, it opens up a pandora's box and one day they will step on your toes for the most trival of things. kinda like this article. here is something else no one adressed, why was a social worker comming to her house? sounds to me like if anyone is enslaveing anyone and trying to bend the will of a person, it is the state, not her family.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24006920.post-23733283725644700992008-07-14T13:38:00.000-05:002008-07-14T13:38:00.000-05:00Actually, disempowerment of women is NOT an origin...<I>Actually, disempowerment of women is NOT an original element of Islam.</I><BR/><BR/>But it certainly IS the practice in Islam.<BR/><BR/><BR/><I>But there are also those who find real faith within their religious or spiritual tradition, and practice the love and compassion taught in their scriptures and other writings. Will the French authorities really be able to tell who's who?</I><BR/><BR/>Sure. It's really quite simple: Those who deny others their inalienable human rights are criminals.Wolterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15099002911138835539noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24006920.post-74935046529654794302008-07-14T13:16:00.000-05:002008-07-14T13:16:00.000-05:00Actually, disempowerment of women is NOT an origin...Actually, disempowerment of women is NOT an original element of Islam. Mohammed was way ahead of his time in promoting women's rights, including inheriting property. Wahabi fundamentalism was a later version of Islam imposed by European outsiders, who foment much of the current mischief. Yes, there are "Muslims" who embrace extremism, just as there are "Christians" who denigrate women as the root of sin and oppress them. Sick individuals will always hide behind righteous ideologies. Many extreme behaviors (including "honor killings") are actually ancient tribal practices having nothing to do with God, scripture, or real belief.<BR/><BR/>But there are also those who find real faith within their religious or spiritual tradition, and practice the love and compassion taught in their scriptures and other writings. Will the French authorities really be able to tell who's who?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24006920.post-34838990832710778652008-07-14T13:10:00.000-05:002008-07-14T13:10:00.000-05:00A further note:The laws of a free country are desi...A further note:<BR/><BR/>The laws of a free country are designed in order to protect the freedoms and rights of the people within its borders.<BR/>The constitution of a free country is designed to ensure that those laws are not eroded.<BR/>The people of a free country must stand ever vigilant against any attempt at erosion of their freedoms.<BR/><BR/>By sticking its head in the sand, France is showing weakness, which will only embolden its enemies. Since France essentially refused entry based on a religious practice (despicable though it is), they have given the Muslims ammunition in the international arena to accuse France of religious intolerance (and they would be technically correct, though France did it for a good reason).<BR/><BR/>A less cowardly approach would have been to allow such people in, and start an awareness campaign with billboards and posters all over the place explaining to women that they don't have to live enslaved; that they can be free, and that the free nation they live in will stand by them when they choose to exercise that freedom.<BR/>Ideas are powerful. That's why the oppressor tries to control information in order to control the mind.<BR/><BR/>You can't force someone out of oppression; they have to desire it themselves. Once they realize that they can be free, most, if not all, will desire it. And THAT is when you can help them.<BR/><BR/>We've defeated Christian dogma. Muslim dogma should be easier to defeat since we already have the infrastructure in place.Wolterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15099002911138835539noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24006920.post-63952871928842104302008-07-14T12:25:00.000-05:002008-07-14T12:25:00.000-05:00The issue obviously goes far beyond this woman. Fr...<I>The issue obviously goes far beyond this woman. France is taking a stand against the blatant misogyny within Islam, period. If nations do not do so, we will find ourselves becoming Islamized, and as a civilized person, I sure as hell don't want to see that happen.</I><BR/><BR/>Neither do I.<BR/>Does France not have laws against enslavement and misogyny? Isn't there legal recourse in France for women who find themselves in a situation such as this?<BR/>Granted, it's tough to break away from the brainwashing that such enslavement brings, but surely offering the possibility of freedom from her oppression is the right choice after all? The man who oppresses her can be dealt with by French law since he chose to live under it.<BR/><BR/>Religious rights don't trump human rights. I fail to see how allowing a subservient woman in would change that.Wolterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15099002911138835539noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24006920.post-36941615155292192622008-07-14T12:02:00.000-05:002008-07-14T12:02:00.000-05:00Wolter said... I fail to see how denying citize...<I>Wolter said...<BR/><BR/> I fail to see how denying citizenship to a woman is supposed to further the rights of women.<BR/><BR/> Is it better to have her remain in an oppressive society where her submissiveness is required by law?</I><BR/><BR/>The issue obviously goes far beyond this woman. France is taking a stand against the blatant misogyny within Islam, period. If nations do not do so, we will find ourselves becoming Islamized, and as a civilized person, I sure as hell don't want to see that happen.<BR/><BR/>If you do, then you are either a sado-masochist or have not studied the subject in depth. Here are a few websites that should edify you:<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://thereligionofpeace.com" REL="nofollow">The Religion of Peace</A><BR/><A HREF="http://islam-watch.org" REL="nofollow">Islam Watch</A><BR/><A HREF="http://faithfreedom.org" REL="nofollow">Faith Freedom</A><BR/><A HREF="http://islamwatchers.blogspot.com" REL="nofollow">The Truth About Islam</A>Acharya Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03091289754963053674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24006920.post-6278603781560180002008-07-14T11:52:00.000-05:002008-07-14T11:52:00.000-05:00A. Magnus Publius said... All this talk about '...<I>A. Magnus Publius said...<BR/><BR/> All this talk about 'enslavement' only covers for the real motives of the posters: they want all the woman's male relatives to be deported so that they themselves can tear her burkha off and have their way with her. It all sounds more like extreme jealousy where the posters here secretly covet the control they claim this woman's male relatives have over her. Only in this instance they will exersize their control via the state, which is a much more impersonal means of doing so. </I><BR/><BR/>What a depraved load of garbage. Where is your mind at?Acharya Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03091289754963053674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24006920.post-5276837284675380342008-07-14T11:38:00.000-05:002008-07-14T11:38:00.000-05:00to anonymous 11:16I was being kind of a wise guy w...to anonymous 11:16<BR/>I was being kind of a wise guy when I used the words bigot and _phobic. Once again I have realized sarcasm doesn’t translate well in writing. In real life I never use those words like bigot or –phobic because I know they are cleverly used as a form of attack while disingenuously appearing to be a defense. <BR/>The other problem with term bigot and –phobic is that the people that use these terms the most, actually have a lot of that energy in their own lives. As I have a interest and health and healing I drop into workshops where most members incorrectly assume I am a flaming liberal like them, and so I get to see all kinds of bigotry by people who are certain they are the champions of love , the warriors of peace. <BR/>So my apologies for forgetting that that vocal inflection doesn’t come through on a blog and I was being a wiseguy, I only use those terms bigot and phobic in sarcastic jousting.<BR/>Now there is something you might want to look at if you are a man and you wrote what you wrote at 11:16. Having been raised in a culture that assaults its members with collective guilt and collective shame, if you really have such hatred for men, that rejection often locks up in your body and will manifest as illness. A person alienated against his own biological being is setting himself for all kinds of health problems. Testosterone is similar to fire in that in can be used for good or destruction. Fire and rescue workers, trauma center doctors , motivational speakers, all use it in support of their fellow humans. Put whatever you have left to good use, don’t let your childhood oppressors shame you for it.<BR/>And so that is what is cruel about fundamental Islam. It creates an instant shame, an instant “something is wrong with my very biological being” for a woman. It causes all kind of health issues. While I don’t work directly in the medical field , I do study the link between religion and health issues. Sort of a hobby or more actually a necessity to immunize myself from the assault of my own religion of birth. <BR/> If you really care about abuse to women, don’t make them wrong for speaking out against the insanity of any religion that demeans them from the moment of birth. As you pointed out , on a blog you don’t have space to write volumes of documentation, but I assure you, I’ve done my homework , checked it out with medical doctors, and there is a definite link between fundamental , shamed- by-birth religions and chronic health problems. <BR/> Sitting around waiting for perfect answers before you do something to save lives is not how I operate. I have saved lives in real life and sometimes it goes down like this "Oh shit I don't want get involved,Oh man this can't be happening... I wish I could call 911... And then you jump in and do what you can. Good luck in learning to harness your testosterone in a positive life affirming way.shakeituphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09576002824448770351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24006920.post-42489038078627905702008-07-14T10:33:00.000-05:002008-07-14T10:33:00.000-05:00All this talk about 'enslavement' only covers for ...All this talk about 'enslavement' only covers for the real motives of the posters: they want all the woman's male relatives to be deported so that they themselves can tear her burkha off and have their way with her. It all sounds more like extreme jealousy where the posters here secretly covet the control they claim this woman's male relatives have over her. Only in this instance they will exersize their control via the state, which is a much more impersonal means of doing so. <BR/><BR/>Call a spade a spade here, the fact is you all want to see what's under the burkha and the men in her life are standing in your way. Therefore you criminalize them to provide a pretext for justifying your own intellectual intrusions upon her. Did she ask for your help? No? Then exactly who did ask for your help in running her life?A. Magnus Publiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07943012674895306913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24006920.post-86964081279592056372008-07-14T09:56:00.000-05:002008-07-14T09:56:00.000-05:00I fail to see how denying citizenship to a woman i...I fail to see how denying citizenship to a woman is supposed to further the rights of women.<BR/><BR/>Is it better to have her remain in an oppressive society where her submissiveness is required by law?Wolterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15099002911138835539noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24006920.post-51362218269963721502008-07-14T09:04:00.000-05:002008-07-14T09:04:00.000-05:00read Leviticusread LeviticusAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24006920.post-73641143013959388582008-07-14T06:37:00.000-05:002008-07-14T06:37:00.000-05:00conservatives made oppressing women a way of like ...conservatives made oppressing women a way of like and attacking liberals doing battle against its enculturation is cheap thinking<BR/>arn't the liberal lefty courts finally overcoming the centuries of conservative reactionary agendas<BR/>by the way liberalism is the philosophy of democracy <BR/>and taking the family dictator's citizenship away and sending him back to the failure he fled remind the mew arrivals your welcomed but we don't want to be the failure you fled, period.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24006920.post-12456308844072944972008-07-14T04:26:00.000-05:002008-07-14T04:26:00.000-05:00France. Too little too late.Nice try boys. But whe...France. Too little too late.<BR/>Nice try boys. But when they put up a fuss, you'll back down.<BR/>As always.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24006920.post-17138430634601401642008-07-14T00:58:00.000-05:002008-07-14T00:58:00.000-05:00horst said... the issue has two sides (at least...<I>horst said...<BR/><BR/> the issue has two sides (at least)<BR/> - of course it is unacceptable IN OUR SOCIETIES and for our cultural background to force women into such a kind of slavery and thus i fully support this french decision.<BR/> - on the other hand it is totally unacceptable also, when we go to foreign countries and turn THEIR SOCIETIES upside down. Bombing the Taliban is not the proper way to help their women! We should respect other people even if we do not accept their ways - it is their country after all.<BR/> - you should address also the subject of sexual mutilation.<BR/> Why are Jews never criticised about their habit of circumcising their children on the eighth day after birth? This causes irreversible trauma and distorts the child's character for the rest of their lives!</I><BR/><BR/>I disagree that people on the other side of the world should be left to wallow in their own depravity. I think that Ayaan Hirsi Ali would have something to say about intervening in her native country of Somalia, which is a total hellhole.<BR/><BR/>Should we allow our neighbors to rape their children just because they live in a different house? I don't think so.<BR/><BR/>As concerns Jews and circumcision, au contraire - I blogged about it long ago:<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://tbknews.blogspot.com/2006/07/circumcision-is-evil.html" REL="nofollow">Circumcision is Evil</A>Acharya Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03091289754963053674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24006920.post-58514409886855418152008-07-14T00:14:00.000-05:002008-07-14T00:14:00.000-05:00the issue has two sides (at least)- of course it i...the issue has two sides (at least)<BR/>- of course it is unacceptable IN OUR SOCIETIES and for our cultural background to force women into such a kind of slavery and thus i fully support this french decision.<BR/>- on the other hand it is totally unacceptable also, when we go to foreign countries and turn THEIR SOCIETIES upside down. Bombing the Taliban is not the proper way to help their women! We should respect other people even if we do not accept their ways - it is their country after all. <BR/>- you should address also the subject of sexual mutilation.<BR/>Why are Jews never criticised about their habit of circumcising their children on the eighth day after birth? This causes irreversible trauma and distorts the child's character for the rest of their lives!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24006920.post-45399696510988791362008-07-13T23:45:00.000-05:002008-07-13T23:45:00.000-05:00Anonymous said... Gah. It's not about using rel...<I>Anonymous said...<BR/><BR/> Gah. It's not about using religion as an excuse.<BR/><BR/> If it is *her free choice* to act in such a way, and nobody else is harmed by her decision (as in this case), what right does the state have to say otherwise?</I><BR/><BR/>And who says it's her choice? If you read my blog, you would know that I understand this facile argument very well. It simply doesn't fly when it comes to abusive "religious" indoctrination and brainwashing. She has NO choice if she's a Muslim. Such an argument reflects complete ignorance of Islamic brainwashing.<BR/><BR/>The state has every right to uphold its own policies of not letting religious nutters destroy it. That's called TREASON.<BR/><BR/>I suggest you read this site, instead of the usual liberal pabulum. (And no, I am not a "conservative." Nor am I a "libertarian." I am person with a conscience who doesn't like the abusiveness and enslavement of religious fanaticism.)<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=67736123-6864-4205-B51E-BCBDEF45FCDE" REL="nofollow">The Muslim Brotherhood Project for Global Domination</A><BR/><BR/>You may also wish to read the experiences of the great Ayaan Hirsi Ali as well as watch videos featuring Dr. Wafa Sultan. These two women can tell you firsthand that women like the one in this discussion are ABUSED into their submissive state. What right do YOU have not to let her receive help?Acharya Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03091289754963053674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24006920.post-74225252356200531692008-07-13T23:24:00.000-05:002008-07-13T23:24:00.000-05:00Gah. It's not about using religion as an excuse.If...Gah. It's not about using religion as an excuse.<BR/><BR/>If it is *her free choice* to act in such a way, and nobody else is harmed by her decision (as in this case), what right does the state have to say otherwise?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com