<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24006920.post114663833508676826..comments</id><updated>2010-02-16T06:14:25.418-06:00</updated><title type='text'>Comments on Truth Be Known News | Blog of Acharya S: The "Historical" Jesus?</title><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://tbknews.blogspot.com/feeds/114663833508676826/comments/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/24006920/114663833508676826/comments/default'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://tbknews.blogspot.com/2006/05/historical-jesus.html'/><author><name>Acharya S</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03091289754963053674</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>7</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24006920.post-2704011881068145500</id><published>2010-02-16T06:14:25.418-06:00</published><updated>2010-02-16T06:14:25.418-06:00</updated><title type='text'>"Historical Jesus"?!?

Just using this contra-hist...</title><content type='html'>&amp;quot;Historical Jesus&amp;quot;?!?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Just using this contra-historical oxymoron (demonstrated by the eminent late Oxford historian, James Parkes, The Conflict of the Church and the Synagogue) exposes your Christian-blinkered agenda--dependent upon 4th-century, gentile, Hellenist sources.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;While scholars debate the provenance of the original accounts upon which the earliest extant (4th century, even fragments are post-135 C.E.), Roman gentile, Hellenist-redacted versions were based, there is not one fragment, not even one letter of the NT that derives DIRECTLY from the 1st-century Pharisee Jews who followed the Pharisee Ribi Yehoshua.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Historians like Parkes, et al., have demonstrated incontestably that 4th-century Roman Christianity was the 180° polar antithesis of 1st-century Judaism of ALL Pharisee Ribis. The earliest (post-135 C.E.) true Christians were viciously antinomian (ANTI-Torah), claiming to supersede and displace Torah, Judaism and (&amp;quot;spiritual) Israel and Jews. In soberest terms, ORIGINAL Christianity was anti-Torah from the start while DSS (viz., 4Q MMT) and ALL other Judaic documentation PROVE that ALL 1st-century Pharisees were PRO-Torah.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There is a mountain of historical Judaic information Christians have refused to deal with, at: www.netzarim.co.il (see, especially, their History Museum pages beginning with &amp;quot;30-99 C.E.&amp;quot;).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Original Christianity = ANTI-Torah. Ribi Yehoshua and his Netzarim, like all other Pharisees, were PRO-Torah. Intractable contradiction.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Building a Roman image from Hellenist hearsay accounts, decades after the death of the 1st-century Pharisee Ribi, and after a forcible ouster, by Hellenist Roman gentiles, of his original Jewish followers (135 C.E., documented by Eusebius), based on writings of a Hellenist Jew excised as an apostate by the original Jewish followers (documented by Eusebius) is circular reasoning through gentile-Roman Hellenist lenses.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What the historical Pharisee Ribi taught is found not in the hearsay accounts of post-135 C.E. Hellenist Romans but, rather, in the Judaic descriptions of Pharisees and Pharisee Ribis of the period... in Dead Sea Scroll 4Q MMT (see Prof. Elisha Qimron), inter alia.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The question is, now that you&amp;#39;ve been informed, will you follow the authentic historical Pharisee Ribi? Or continue following the post-135 C.E. Roman-redacted antithesis—an idol?</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/24006920/114663833508676826/comments/default/2704011881068145500'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/24006920/114663833508676826/comments/default/2704011881068145500'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://tbknews.blogspot.com/2006/05/historical-jesus.html?showComment=1266322465418#c2704011881068145500' title=''/><author><name>Anders Branderud</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12590420531095058999</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://tbknews.blogspot.com/2006/05/historical-jesus.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24006920.post-114663833508676826' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/24006920/posts/default/114663833508676826' type='text/html'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24006920.post-5272946660673858156</id><published>2008-06-18T01:45:53.997-05:00</published><updated>2008-06-18T01:45:53.997-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Thanks.  Yes, I've read much of Meier's multi-volu...</title><content type='html'>Thanks.  Yes, I've read much of Meier's multi-volume series.  It contains much good information.  Of course, I do not concur with his basic premise, which is to assume a priori that Christ truly existed and then go on from there.  It seems a rather futile endeavor if Christ's life can be demonstrated to be a rehash of fictional and mythical elements.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I am well aware of the mainstream dating of the gospels, including the very early dates proposed by Christian evangelists.  However, there simply is no scientific evidence to prove this early dating.  The canonical gospels as we have them do not show up in the historical/literary record until the end of the second century.  If you would like to see more of my argument for this contention, you will need to refer to my books, particularly &lt;A HREF="http://www.stellarhousepublishing.com/whowasjesus.html" REL="nofollow"&gt;Who Was Jesus?&lt;/A&gt;</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/24006920/114663833508676826/comments/default/5272946660673858156'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/24006920/114663833508676826/comments/default/5272946660673858156'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://tbknews.blogspot.com/2006/05/historical-jesus.html?showComment=1213771553997#c5272946660673858156' title=''/><author><name>Acharya S</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03091289754963053674</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='10763066846236818412'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://tbknews.blogspot.com/2006/05/historical-jesus.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24006920.post-114663833508676826' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/24006920/posts/default/114663833508676826' type='text/html'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24006920.post-1409007736386506316</id><published>2008-06-17T23:31:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2008-06-17T23:31:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Have you given consideration to John Meier's "Marg...</title><content type='html'>Have you given consideration to John Meier's "Marginal Jew" series?  I've found it to offer the most even-handed examination of the evidence for (and against) the life of Jesus.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Additionally, I'm puzzled by your claim that the gospels were written in the late 2nd century.  Even the gospel of John is being reconsidered as an earlier tradition and most scholars date the gospels between 60-95 AD.</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/24006920/114663833508676826/comments/default/1409007736386506316'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/24006920/114663833508676826/comments/default/1409007736386506316'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://tbknews.blogspot.com/2006/05/historical-jesus.html?showComment=1213763460000#c1409007736386506316' title=''/><author><name>Duane</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10936303952493917859</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://tbknews.blogspot.com/2006/05/historical-jesus.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24006920.post-114663833508676826' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/24006920/posts/default/114663833508676826' type='text/html'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24006920.post-116377454639485797</id><published>2006-11-17T08:42:00.000-06:00</published><updated>2006-11-17T08:42:00.000-06:00</updated><title type='text'>Acharya - I have read much of your work and I must...</title><content type='html'>Acharya - I have read much of your work and I must say that it is refreshing in this day and age of robotic thinking to see someone out their who maintains an independent train of thought. Your book "Christ Conspiracy" was wonderful and while I have tried to share it, some are so deeply indoctrinated they can't get past the title!!!!&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;One would think that with Jesus Christ being such a prominent figure in world history, their would be substantial evidence of his alleged existence. I'm at a stage in my life where I am re-examining everything that I thought, believed and was told that was reality. Thanks to individuals such as yourself, I have probably learned more in the past 4 years that I have my entire life.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The "ruling" elite, dominant "minority", or occultist, whichever you choose, have done their jobs well. Of course, they have had thousands of years of a head start, but nonetheless have perfected their craft.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;While the bible does hold many inherent truths, it is cloaked in the occult. It is their "rule book" on the manipulation of mass culture and society. Theirs an old saying, "the best place to hide the truth is in a lie".&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;As people, we need to do more research and find where all these things come from. I saw where one of the bloggers used the word "holocaust". I'm just curious if they know the "true" meaning of the word. Holocaust comes from the root word "Halo" or "sun" and a holocaust is a "sacrafice that involves a burnt offering". So what are the occult really telling us about what happened to the "Jews" during WWII???</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/24006920/114663833508676826/comments/default/116377454639485797'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/24006920/114663833508676826/comments/default/116377454639485797'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://tbknews.blogspot.com/2006/05/historical-jesus.html?showComment=1163774520000#c116377454639485797' title=''/><author><name>Anonymous</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://tbknews.blogspot.com/2006/05/historical-jesus.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24006920.post-114663833508676826' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/24006920/posts/default/114663833508676826' type='text/html'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24006920.post-114684828514204236</id><published>2006-05-05T11:58:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-05-05T11:58:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Ha - I've just watched a documentary called "The d...</title><content type='html'>Ha - I've just watched a documentary called "The da Vinci Code: The Greatest Story Ever Sold" - Wonder where they got that title from. :)&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Yeah - The Catholic Church really don't want their flock exposed to alternative (and perhaps more plausable) versions of their christ myth. Maybe they're afraid that if they start digging they'll find the myth as empty as the tomb...</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/24006920/114663833508676826/comments/default/114684828514204236'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/24006920/114663833508676826/comments/default/114684828514204236'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://tbknews.blogspot.com/2006/05/historical-jesus.html?showComment=1146848280000#c114684828514204236' title=''/><author><name>allan</name><uri>http://www.myspace.com/vega32</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://tbknews.blogspot.com/2006/05/historical-jesus.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24006920.post-114663833508676826' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/24006920/posts/default/114663833508676826' type='text/html'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24006920.post-114681994691287374</id><published>2006-05-05T04:05:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-05-05T04:05:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Did you see this one? The Vatican is really PO'ed ...</title><content type='html'>Did you see this one? The Vatican is really PO'ed over the upcoming 'DaVinci Code' movie.&lt;BR/&gt;Yes, the folks that brought you the Inquisition, everlasting hellfire, and sexual guilt&lt;BR/&gt;are getting back in the censorship business (or trying to.)&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;It seems that the poor, innocent-as-a-baby lamb  Catholic Church feels threatened and put upon by a mean old movie. Their spokesman said in a press release that no  producer could get away with insulting Muslems or the Holocaust in such a manner.  The Vatican comparing a movie they don't like (and that doesn't serve their interests)  to the Holocaust!&lt;BR/&gt;What a laugh. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Of course, many younger people may not be aware that the Catholic Church was in the business of dictating what movies you could and could not view.  &lt;BR/&gt;As well, they've always tried to tell you what books you could read, music you could listen to, what type of sex you could have....and, oh yeah, what you could think. The penalty for disobeying their iron commands?  Only eternal damnation in hell.  Yes, these guys are real&lt;BR/&gt;underdogs.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;By the way, some of the greatest movies ever made were censored by Catholic "decency" groups. That meant that many brilliant foreign films could not be seen in areas of the United States. They hounded great filmmakers like Luis Bunuel, *Roberto Rossellini, Ingmar Bergman and Federico Fellini, et al.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt; Hollywood didn't bark too much, because by and large, they schmoozed religious groups and paid lip-service to organized religion. And besides, those foreign films were showing up the overrated pap that the spoiled "geniuses" of Hollywood were churning out.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;*see the court case relating to the censoring of Rossellini's film 'The Miracle."</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/24006920/114663833508676826/comments/default/114681994691287374'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/24006920/114663833508676826/comments/default/114681994691287374'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://tbknews.blogspot.com/2006/05/historical-jesus.html?showComment=1146819900000#c114681994691287374' title=''/><author><name>Anonymous</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://tbknews.blogspot.com/2006/05/historical-jesus.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24006920.post-114663833508676826' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/24006920/posts/default/114663833508676826' type='text/html'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24006920.post-114676466120767972</id><published>2006-05-04T12:44:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-05-04T12:44:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Although I agree there is no valid evidence for th...</title><content type='html'>Although I agree there is no valid evidence for the existence of a 'Jesus Christ', I have just watched a BBC documentary called 'Did Jesus Die?'.  It assumes there was such a historical character but one who did not die on the cross and was not resurrected.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Instead, his comatose body was revived and spirited away (no pun intended), eventually escaping to India (where previously, from the age of 14 to 29, he was trained as a healer by buddhists).  You have, of course, heard all of this before.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I can see how such an explanation would appeal to the agnostic and non-christian, but would hold little appeal to believers and non-believers alike. It sits uncomfortably between biblical 'knowledge' and secular speculation.  But it is a view that christians should consider, a way-point perhaps on the road to the rational. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;A number of christian scholars in the film do not accept the resurrection as fact, but more of a   metaphor.  This fact has yet to filter down to congregations.  If/when it does, I wonder what the reaction of the church hierarchy will be?</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/24006920/114663833508676826/comments/default/114676466120767972'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/24006920/114663833508676826/comments/default/114676466120767972'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://tbknews.blogspot.com/2006/05/historical-jesus.html?showComment=1146764640000#c114676466120767972' title=''/><author><name>allan</name><uri>http://www.myspace.com/vega32</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://tbknews.blogspot.com/2006/05/historical-jesus.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24006920.post-114663833508676826' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/24006920/posts/default/114663833508676826' type='text/html'/></entry></feed>