To all you women, are you prepared for a world in which roving gangs of thugs are waiting to rape you because you aren't dressed like this?
Men, is this the world you would like to live in, where you will never see another woman's hair, legs or even arms, except your own wife's?
Child rape in Sweden has increased significantly with Muslim immigration - do you wish to see this happen the world over?
BOYCOTT NIKE FOR STARTERS.
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"Anonymous said...
mriana siad
Nope, there was no god that had anything to do with it. It is a purely godless constitution that has survived over 200 years.
WRONG
The founding fathers were in many ways quite religious; they only wanted it to be separate from the state. Jefferson for instance re-wrote his own version of the bible and purchased the first Koran that was printed in English, which is now in the Library of congress. Your knowledge of your own history is about as accurate as it is of Islamic world. And I’m Canadian.Do your self a favour and stop listening to ranting and ravings of A.S and think for yourself."
Oh my! Another cocky-brained idiot--a 'Canadian'! What? You think Canadians are intelligently superior?! You're an example of just ONE which disproves that. I was born/live in Canada, but I don't consider myself a Canadian--only flee-brains give their minds over to the collective BORG by whatever name.
What a freaking buffoon! Mriana's right, and you're wrong. The U.S. Constitution has nothing to do with God, Kanuck bonehead. But you don't even know what's in it, do you?
Jefferson HATED Islam, fool. You don't even know about the Barbary Pirates, but you're pretending to be smarter than Miriana?
And the American Founding Fathers were barely religious at all - that's all Christian propaganda you're buying into.
And please show us where A.S. is "raving?" It's the Muslim apologists who are RAVING, while she's perfectly cool. Are you BLIND? Don't answer that, I already know the answer.
Oh, and it's quite clear that Mriana's one of the only people around who CAN think for herself.
I say again, Acharya - argggghh! How can you stand these IDIOTS?
Uhm....please do not refer to aforesaid as bonehead....thats me...lol! Call him Canuck or Canadian or any other epithet...lol! Just kidding!
I agree with your sentiments overall about the numbers of idiots that respond here. One hopes they would learn something, but their SKULLS may be too thick..ha ha ha! Too many of them don't even know their own history, even that currently unfolding before their very eyes!
Muaah to Acharya and Mriana from a cool dog in Canada...ruff ruff! hee hee!
Acharya S said...
skullnboner said...
Anti-semite
Of course, I know that you know that 90% of Jews are not Semites and that 90% of Semites are Arabs - so what exactly are you saying here?
:)
Lol! If Jews call me an anti-semite for criticising or questioning their beliefs, claims and actions, then I suppose they want everyone to believe they are 'semites'. If they want to be semites, so be it! It's just a silly and totally misleading name. I know you know this, but maybe your audience doesn't.
Sem or Shem is a fictional character in a fictionally contrived 'BOOK'. If anything, the term was a TITLE very long pre-existing any alleged tribal confederation called Israel and validly not even of linguistic origin with the language and people to whom that term is given. Correctly speaking, the term Semitic is an arbitrarily picked word out of the 'Babble' to describe a language stream common to only one group of people existing in Canaan and regions as native inhabitants. Hebrews and any tribal faction of them including those who are today called 'Jews' are defined linguistically as 'Semitic', tho that in no way means ALL 'semitic-speaking' people were of the same homogenous stream genetically, culturally or otherwise. Yet, it is clear that most of them were.
However, to the best of my knowledge, from 1200 BCE onwards the nativist 'Semites' began their rise as a dominant culture in the region (through infiltration, wars and revolutions, with the help of the 'dhimmis' of those days) that lasted for at least 600 yrs. until the Persians gained the upper hand. The conflicts which arose then are not dissimilar to the conditions of today, involving religious and cultural differences poles apart.
The Aryan Persians were quite generous in allowing them much autonomy over their own affairs. In this period and probably even before when Babylon was sublimated as a wholly 'semitic' center of the nativists, the contrived histories and religious formula were created by the leading educated elements of the population that came to be called Judah or Judeans. The latter were indeed of the same stream as the rest of the 'semitic-speaking' population, but with the intent to compose themselves as a people apart not only from their cousins but from all peoples around them. Otherwise, racially and culturally the 'Jews" and the 'Arabs' shared the same origins. To wit--they were what we call today 'Semites' in name.
Bizarrely, over a thousand yrs. later, a completely foreign people adopted a religon that was racio-religous (an Nation of Priests selected by their 'god'), which should have disqualified them from being members of the 'Special People' and to which proselytising was otherwise prohibited. When the rest of Judaics were about to disappear into the rest of mankind and the 'inner-sect' appeared to be loosing it's SHEEP, the opportunity arose to create a new nation of SHEEP with the persuasion of the Khazar Kagan to convert to Judaism, rather than submit to either the Christian or Muslim (there were both among the Khazars, tho the majority were crude barbarian 'pagans'). Well you know the story...synagogues were built, Rabbis imported, Hebrew writing obtained in the upper classes, intermarriages with 'semitic' Jews in the uppercrust and so on, tho most of the people spoke a hybrid language called Yiddish and were mostly of Turko-Mongol origin.
The religious culture was of 'semitic' origin however in spite of the non-semitic origin of the people who adopted the Judaic-Talmudic world view, particularly in the ruling class. When in the 19th century, a movement began to re-establish this racio-religious Nation of Priests called Israel, a good many of the foreigners with no historical or racial connection to Palestine took it upon themselves to learn as quickly as possible the 'semitic' language of Hebrew, whilst already having been 'semitised' in religon and culture for some time. They indeed wanted to appear to be 'Semites' in the worlds eyes!
Now I didn't invent this idea of 'Semitism', nor am I responsible for them having been culturally and religiously
'semitised'! In my view, there is little difference between cultural 'semites or religious 'semites'. The agendas and tactics of both (esp. in the ruling classes..where the inner-sects rule) are very much the same and the root is identical when the facade of the inner-sect of 'Judaism' is removed.
So which ever religious or cultural group I oppose..ie. Judaism and Islam, I am thence opposed to 'Semites' in general--am I not? They end up being the same thing in spite of apparent differences between one or the other. The one most definitely will quickly identify me as an 'anti-semite' (Horrors!). So I am mischievously joking about a label that will be applied to me anyway, and contrasting it with what either of these 'semite' groups ARE NOT--HUMAN. Both are Anti-Human. In my jargon..Human is a sentient person of flesh and blood, without SPECIAL labels indicating exclusivity.
I may be a Dog, a mere beast, but I am a Human's best friend..(egads, I am out of favor with the Islamites too! lol!).
I may be a Dog, a mere beast, but I am a Human's best friend..(egads, I am out of favor with the Islamites too! lol!).
Oh poor baby! *Mriana pets his head* If you can get around the Bastian members of my family then you can join my family. :) Just don't hurt the Bast worshippers or Bast will get you- according to them at least. lol Once you get past them there is a human boy who wants a dog very badly. :)
Happy new Recession LOL... you better worry about the American empire falling. I told you after the crush of America a new world order will take shape, and you are going to wish instead of fucking with Islam you would have stopped your empire from falling. Thank god Iranian economy is sanctioned so it wouldn't have mcuh impact on our already lame economy.
BTW I'm not only saying US is going down others are also saying it too
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/viewpoints/articles/0406vip-mcpherson0406.html
Javad said...
Happy new Recession LOL... you better worry about the American empire falling. I told you after the crush of America a new world order will take shape, and you are going to wish instead of fucking with Islam you would have stopped your empire from falling. Thank god Iranian economy is sanctioned so it wouldn't have mcuh impact on our already lame economy.
BTW I'm not only saying US is going down others are also saying it too
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/viewpoints/articles/0406vip-mcpherson0406.html
Javad, why do you take glee in the misery and suffering of others, wishing for them to be destroyed so that a heinous form of fascism can enslave them?
You have unfortunately exemplified the worst of the human-hatred that comprises Islam.
And you miss the point - if the U.S. falls, I certainly don't want the jackals to come in and enslave us in our weakened state. I'm trying to prevent people from becoming such predators.
Also, if the U.S. fails, much of the rest of the world will also fall - expect increased starvation and all kinds of atrocities. Again, why do you take pleasure in the suffering of others? Is this a direct result of Islamic teachings?
Moreover, Egypt is apparently suffering from terrible food shortages already - do you take glee in that as well? Or is because these humans happen to be Muslims that you would actually feel for them? Therein lies my beef with Islam - it teaches that infidels are SUBHUMANS worthy of destruction, and you goosestep right in line with it.
I take no glee in people's economies failing and the common people starving, while "religious" bastards fatten their own despicable bellies.
While I am assailing an insensate IDEOLOGY, you are attacking real, living human beings who feel pain. Islam is not something that should be coddled and protected - especially with its hideous record - while real, living and breathing human beings are suffering.
don't get me wrong, I wish all the best for the American people and everyone else. I am saying the American population has been misled, it's very dangerous for the world to have a super power which believes anything the government tells them.
Javad said...
don't get me wrong, I wish all the best for the American people and everyone else. I am saying the American population has been misled, it's very dangerous for the world to have a super power which believes anything the government tells them.
Thank you. I appreciate that. I have never supported the knuckleheads in the U.S. government. I've been wishing for decades they'd gotten us off the oil standard in the 1970s, when OPEC put us all over a barrel, so to speak. It was then that we should have increased all alternative energies methods. (I also put much effort into the environmental movement.)
I squarely blame William Randolph Hearst for much of this prpoblem because of him destroying hemp production - one of the most major crimes ever to befall humanity. We would not be in this position if it were not for Hearst's anti-hemp measures, which in large part led to the oil addiction that in turn is leading to the end of human civilization.
Two things came of this oil addiction: Wanton physical pollution, and the spread of Wahhabism - both highly destructive forces for which ALL of humanity will be suffering mightily in the decades to come.
Despite all sorts of calumny tossed my way, my efforts are largely designed to mitigate both of these destructive forces, as well as their source, i.e., oil addiction.
Considering this an issue of religion there are seemingly little ideas of religion and opinions based majorly on culture..
I am Catholic and therefore not biased towards Muslims, however i have several close friends who are Muslim and wear the Hijab not because they feel the need to, or because it is forced upon them by their 'religion or parents' but because it is a symbol 'for the individual' Of their own modesty and a desire to save a part of themselves, which just so happens to be physical.
I choose not to openly discuss matters of politics with people. Does this mean i have been conditioned this way or merely that i choose not to enter into discussion about my personal feelings...
Much is the same in regards to people of the Islamic community, what they keep to themselves is of no business for anyone else.
The Koran (most sacred book belonging to muslims) Says nothing (this I've discovered after years of research)about killing women or what behaviour deserves to be paid back with death. This is merely an act of cruelty that is done by an individual with a blurred idea of what Islam stands for.
I encourage further research and a more solid understanding Of Islam, before making such video's that can create enormous amounts of offence based a very narrow minded opinion.
Anonymous said...
Considering this an issue of religion there are seemingly little ideas of religion and opinions based majorly on culture..
I am Catholic and therefore not biased towards Muslims, however i have several close friends who are Muslim and wear the Hijab not because they feel the need to, or because it is forced upon them by their 'religion or parents' but because it is a symbol 'for the individual' Of their own modesty and a desire to save a part of themselves, which just so happens to be physical.
I choose not to openly discuss matters of politics with people. Does this mean i have been conditioned this way or merely that i choose not to enter into discussion about my personal feelings...
Much is the same in regards to people of the Islamic community, what they keep to themselves is of no business for anyone else.
The Koran (most sacred book belonging to muslims) Says nothing (this I've discovered after years of research)about killing women or what behaviour deserves to be paid back with death. This is merely an act of cruelty that is done by an individual with a blurred idea of what Islam stands for.
I encourage further research and a more solid understanding Of Islam, before making such video's that can create enormous amounts of offence based a very narrow minded opinion.
Yes, indeed, further research is absolutely necessary, and what I see is a Polyanna attitude that is not in line with reality. Here are the facts - this is from the Koran:
Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and forsake them in beds apart, and beat them. Then if they obey you, take no further action against them. Surely God is high, supreme. --Q 4:34, "Women," Dawood, p. 83.
Islam represents enslavement of women, period, and abusing ME over this fact will not make me like Islam at all.
I do not hold the Koran or the Bible in any way, shape or form as be "holy texts." They represent mind-control codes written by MEN in order to enslave others under their cult. Catholicism is likewise. The sooner we all figure out that these MANMADE cults are the bottom of most of our troubles on planet earth, the better off we will be. I am not at all impressed by individuals who at this juncture in history are completely blinded to the folly and deleterious nature of religious fanaticism. In fact, I consider them to be deluded and sick - and in their sheepleness directly responsible for the pending destruction of human civilization and enslavement of mankind. Religion apologists are a dime a dozen and do not reflect profound thought, frankly. Indeed, they are often NASTY and VICIOUS towards other human beings, based on their divisive delusions. Instead of respecting the individual human being, they spew vitriol and hatred in order to protect their depraved ideologies.
Instead of appreciating those who have the COURAGE to stand up to mind-control and enslaving ideologies that HAVE MURDERED MILLIONS and that threaten the very freedom of our souls, the sick religious fanatic or mindless apologist attacks them. What else is new.
Skullandboner siad
Just be sure you aren't one of them in aiding/abetting their introduction of Islam in any form and any other BORG belief system.
If you knew even the slightest about history you would understand
that everything from guitars to our numeric system comes from the Islamic world.
Instead all you can do is parrot ACayaray S's little borg this and borg that bullshit. No subsatnce at all.
As far being Canadian it dosnt mean shit to me. Canada is just as pro-zionist as the US. The US is the power house behind it. When the Lebanese war started the congress members lined up outside capitol hill with a big banner kissing Israel's ass like a good slave. The trailer trash read blogs like this swallow the bullshit hook line and sinker. Perfect slaves to send to take the bullet in the forehaed for Israel.
Anonymous said...
Skullandboner siad
Just be sure you aren't one of them in aiding/abetting their introduction of Islam in any form and any other BORG belief system.
If you knew even the slightest about history you would understand
that everything from guitars to our numeric system comes from the Islamic world.
Again you are absolutely wronng...from guitars to alpha-numeric systems, which exceedingly predated 'Islam'. Before Islam, Arabs and other so-called 'semites' had inherited the learning and cultural aspects of civilisations long preceding them, after sucessfully disposessing and plundering the knowledge, script and more of long established cultures in the region, who were perforce caused to flee en-masse under the cruel barbaric uprisings and wars against them--such as whom were their superiors in all ways. The Semitic natives took upon themselves the accomplishments of vastly superior civilisations and creating revisionist history from their POV. The Victor always writes the history--but history and truth have a way of surviving.
What ever Islam much later incorporated into it's theological and cultural society, was never nothing more than improvisations ad borrowings from cultures even nearer to the period of Islam itself--that would be Classical Greece among other non-semitic, non-Arab and non-Islamic cultures. However, to be fair, Arabs and or Islamics did take the knowledge they received, modified and even expanded upon--only in the learned class (most of the populace were ignorant illiterate sheep for the educated elite, inculcated with all sorts of notions to fill their pride and satisfy their egos as a group who accomplished very little on their own).
Instead all you can do is parrot ACayaray S's little borg this and borg that bullshit. No subsatnce at all.
I am the one who who intitiated the BORG analogy in another forum long ago (and it fits) and I continue to use it. What do you know about substance when you claim to know about history--psuedo-history. I also initiated the term of Baal-shit and YOU are full of it in your cockiness to save face for Islam, Arabs and 'semitic-speaking' people. As a people, I don't seek to demean them as members of the human-race. Stripped of the mountains of hogwash they have been indoctrinated to believe for countless generations, they are just as fine a people as anyone else. When they are just people, one of us, members of the human race...they are my people, just as with others who strip themselves of their own particular crap.
As far being Canadian it dosnt mean shit to me. Canada is just as pro-zionist as the US. The US is the power house behind it. When the Lebanese war started the congress members lined up outside capitol hill with a big banner kissing Israel's ass like a good slave. The trailer trash read blogs like this swallow the bullshit hook line and sinker. Perfect slaves to send to take the bullet in the forehaed for Israel.
The U.S. is not the powerhouse behind it. The U.S. merely because of it's size and strength is presently the most powerful tool serving the interests of the real powerhouses behind it who are global in nature. If I might agree with you on one thing, it will be that 'Israel', which I emphasize is not just that tiny little peice of Real Estate in Palestine, but is the whole of the Jewish people who have taken a name upon themselves that does no even belong to them. It is they who are the Global power operating out of every advanced and lessor advanced countries in the world (in which Canada plays NO SMALL PART). To be even more precise, the Power Houses are the financial Global Elite, with it's core with in the inner sanctum of Talmudic-Judaism (Jewish Supremacy), which are the elite Super-rich bankers and the Rabbinised Sanhedrin. Believe me, it's not quite so simple a story, but just a general outline.
Excusing the Muslim, the Christian, and all the National subjected tools of the Elite of Elites does NOT in anyway excuse Islam, Canada, Christianity or any other ism through which these elites operated to manipulate, divide and subjugate people by brainwashing and mobilisation toward things they would never do otherwise in their right minds as genuine human beings.
I suggest kindly, that you carry forth deeper into your research about history...so much yet not known, but enough to smash wanton deceivers and their superficial apologies when confronted with challenges to their credibilities. Don't allow them to do you thinking and investigation for you by adopting a position of defense for against anyone group. QUESTION EVERYTHING, MAINSTREAM, THE POPULAR 'CLIMATE OF OPINION' ENTRUST YOU TO ACCEPT AT FACE VALUE. Truth above ALL
The sooner we all figure out that these MANMADE cults are the bottom of most of our troubles on planet earth, the better off we will be. I am not at all impressed by individuals who at this juncture in history are completely blinded to the folly and deleterious nature of religious fanaticism. In fact, I consider them to be deluded and sick - and in their sheepleness directly responsible for the pending destruction of human civilization and enslavement of mankind. Religion apologists are a dime a dozen and do not reflect profound thought, frankly. Indeed, they are often NASTY and VICIOUS towards other human beings, based on their divisive delusions. Instead of respecting the individual human being, they spew vitriol and hatred in order to protect their depraved ideologies.
"Their Lord responded to them: "I never fail to reward any worker among you for any work you do, be you MALE OR FEMALE, YOU ARE EQUAL TO ONE ANOTHER........."Quran 3:195
Me being Catholic:
"In fact, I consider them to be deluded and sick"
You have attacked me, my beliefs and the way i choose to live my life in such an aggressive manner, whilst accusing ME of being "NASTY and VICIOUS"
I respected that you have an opinion, one to which you voice very obviously, i didn't abuse you, feel free to share the same curtesy.
You clearly do not appreciate or truly understand religion and believe it to be "MANMADE cults"
This doesn't give you the right to narrow mindedly suggest that i am deluded in any way for suggesting that the morals taught by catholocism are not bad or destructive.
Do not expect people to listen to, or further still appreciate your way of thinking if you are going to critisise any opinion that does not reflect yours.
Please show a bit more respect and if at all possible perhaps work on allowing yourself to hear what others have to say and consider that it is not always negative.
Sorry, actually I wasn't talking to you specifically, and I apologize for using your message to make a point to someone else who was just being the typical nasty defender of faith.
But, no, I have in no way attacked YOU personally by exposing the falsehoods of organized religion or Catholicism in specific. You are NOT Catholicism. You are NOT your beliefs.
And that is one of the major points of my work. Someone has programmed you with Catholicism, probably since you were a small child. You likely had no choice. I consider you a victim, if anything, of a cult that compelled you into it through the typical priestly means of coercion: Fear of hell and desire for heaven.
Everyone on the planet needs to stop defending their beliefs, especially if they are unfounded and are hurtful to others, i.e., to the point of murder. (And Catholicism has one long gory history, such that I would be thoroughly embarrassed to be associated with it at all, frankly.)
In any event, good luck to you.
skullnboner siad
I don't know where you get the idea that Canada is not a contributor to the Zionist 'state' of Israel. You make it sound like Canada and Canadians are on some kind of high moral ground here compared with the U.S. and it's taxpaying citizens. You don't seem to know a whole lot of Canadian history and politics. If you are Canadian, you are just as responsible. You are peicemeal picking parts of the big picture to satiate your big ego. (I am Canadian by birth, but I am not owned by some notion of Canadianism).
Oh ya I forgot stuff likes this really makes its pretty plain who the slave to Israel is.
http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/6368
rpsugar said
I am the one who who intitiated the BORG analogy in another forum long ago (and it fits) and I continue to use it
Hey good for you. Im really impressed. You sound very clever.
rpsugar said
What ever Islam much later incorporated into it's theological and cultural society, was never nothing more than improvisations ad borrowings from cultures even nearer to the period of Islam itself--that would be Classical Greece among other non-semitic, non-Arab and non-Islamic cultures. However, to be fair, Arabs and or Islamics did take the knowledge they received, modified and even expanded upon--only in the learned class (most of the populace were ignorant illiterate sheep for the educated elite, inculcated with all sorts of notions to fill their pride and satisfy their egos as a group who accomplished very little on their own).
So your trying to say we dont use Arabic numerals. Thats a pretty lame argument just because they were clever enough to incoporate knowledge from other cultures and perfect it. Like the concept of the zero from the Indians.
I suggest you stick to stupid little catch all phrases.
Acharya said
But, no, I have in no way attacked YOU personally by exposing the falsehoods of organized religion or Catholicism in specific.
You call your fear mongering and virulent hatred of other peoples beliefs an acceptable way of exposing falsehoods. Cheerleading and misleading these wanabe historians and theologians into your belief system of non belief is what scholars do?
Anonymous said...
Acharya said
But, no, I have in no way attacked YOU personally by exposing the falsehoods of organized religion or Catholicism in specific.
You call your fear mongering and virulent hatred of other peoples beliefs an acceptable way of exposing falsehoods. Cheerleading and misleading these wanabe historians and theologians into your belief system of non belief is what scholars do?
Actually, no, I do none of those things. Those are your projections on what I am doing.
Neither Islam nor Christianity need me to make them look bad - they have done that all on their own by the wanton slaughter, torture and enslavement of hundreds of millions of people worldwide over a period of centuries.
It is simply time for the religious delusion on this planet to end.
You have talked at great length about the evil Arab slave traders.
How about critquing these guys too.
http://www.rense.com/general81/d3ss.htm
Anonymous said...
If you knew even the slightest about history you would understand
that everything from guitars to our numeric system comes from the Islamic world.
So your trying to say we dont use Arabic numerals. Thats a pretty lame argument just because they were clever enough to incoporate knowledge from other cultures and perfect it. Like the concept of the zero from the Indians.
I suggest you stick to stupid little catch all phrases.
The numeral system is Indian. The Alphabetic system is Phoenician. There was no Islam, when either of these were created/adapted by the Greeks, Etruscans etc. The Phoenicians were not Arabs. The Phoenicians were not of 'semitic' origin, they and their ancestors were NOT native to 'semitic' speaking lands, but were part of a foreign dominant culture in those lands, whence many of them adopted the 'semitic' lingo.
Phoenicians did not practise circumsion, wore the Royal Purple and were racially distinct from the overwhelming population in the region where semitic-speaking natives were dominant in numbers. The Phoenicians were a Merchant Marine people descended originally from non-'semitic' speaking peoples of Aryan origin that had dominated the region and an unbroken Imperial rule for 2200 yrs. aprox.
No 'Semitic' culture rose to dominance until 1200 BCE. aprox. In this period up to 600 BCE, the long ruling culture was gradually forced to flee to other parts of the empire including parts of Europe, Persia, India etc. What the natives of of the Middle East inherited was that which they had obtained from these people and further aquired by conquest.
Pray tell me, what is the history of Arab Seafaring before Islam? Don't get me into this kind of debate cause you will loose and it is off subject: http://www.phoenician.org/alphabet.htm & http://www-history.mcs.st-andrews.ac.uk/HistTopics/Arabic_numerals.html
I really appreciate what you're doing Acharya and I have always read your blogs and admired your work. I am also an independent researcher - not in anything in particular, just when I have time outside of University studies and working - I am a human and animal rights activist, I protest against capitalism and the monetary system, and I consider myself overall to be a spiritual, philosophical kind of person - an eclectic skeptic. In this issue I am torn. On the one hand, I personally feel that it is oppressing for women to wear the hejab, and I also understand that Islam is heavily patriarchal (like most world religions), committing many abuses to women. However, on the other hand, I have a number of Moslem friends who have shared with me their opinion and it is mixed. For many Moslem females it is empowering to resist the sexual hegemony of the West through their wearing of the veil and they also believe it is a sign of their love of God. Others see it as a pointless tradition. Strangely enough, many Moslem males in the UK where I live have exclaimed that they find the veil offensive because it makes them feel uncomfortable in a female's presence, as if she has to be veiled or else they will 'perv' on her and they find that that sort of extreme feminism stereotypes males. One of my male Moslem friends has told me he cannot find any demand for the veil in the Qu'ran and that he does not see a reason for it. But there are still many females who have the freedom in this country not to veil themselves, as some female Moslem friends choose not to, yet they too say at times they have chosen to veil themselves for spiritual strength, and sometimes simply as a tradition to mark themselves as belonging to Islam and not being 'sucked into' (as one friend explained it) the sexual and individualistic culture of the West. On the other hand, I also know of females who are forced by their parents to wear the veil and it does make them feel repressed and 'claustrophobic'. This has lead me to think that banning the veil outright is discriminating to a culture/religion, but I also wish that the veil was a choice for all female Moslems, and since it is not then I realise it oppresses more than it frees. It is a shame that there has to be such extremism of any ideology, cultural/religious tradition, etc. We should be able to value love, compassion and freedom of expression over ideas of right and wrong. So long as people work to help each other to be happy, rather than to force conditioning customs, ideas, policies, etc. and people understand that there can be no excuse for harming a person in any way, then who are we to say what another should or shouldn't do with their lives?
By the way, I also agree that wearing the veil does not completely obscure the sexual or romantic or simple aesthetic appreciation of a woman. Sometimes women deliberately use the veil to increase the sexual prowess in the shape of their face against the cloth and in the gaze from beneath, all of which can be particularly stimulating for those with a fetish for such coverings. I am not saying this to stereotype males nor to come across as being perverted, but to be honest, I can still see women as pretty even when covering their face. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHzh6VEVODQ&feature=related
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